Flap is either an alien or a foreigner who clearly has no idea wth he/she is talking about. i am going to ask him/her to kindly tell me WHY these fabulous retirement people wont just say “okay come get the horse”. One less to feed and “groom” twice a week. I am willing to wager the horse may not even be there anymore.
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Flap is either an alien or a foreigner who clearly has no idea wth he/she is talking about. i am going to ask him/her to kindly tell me WHY these fabulous retirement people wont just say “okay come get the horse”. One less to feed and “groom” twice a week. I am willing to wager the horse may not even be there anymore.[/QUOTE]
Often people who “rescue” use it as a cover for obsessive compulsive animal hoarding disorder. A huge red flag is any rescue who does not try to find homes for its inhabitants, especially those with this sort of black and white about how horses should live. There are rescues that will try to make you sign a waiver that you will never put a horse in a stall or put shoes on it.
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Often people who “rescue” use it as a cover for obsessive compulsive animal hoarding disorder. A huge red flag is any rescue who does not try to find homes for its inhabitants, especially those with this sort of black and white about how horses should live. There are rescues that will try to make you sign a waiver that you will never put a horse in a stall or put shoes on it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, there are red flags, that’s for sure. That doesn’t make them hoarders, but I do wonder how 2 elderly people (even if they are in great shape) are able to take care of 140 horses with help only on two days.
According to their 990, they don’t have much paid help, other than casual labor.
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Unfortunately, I’m probably the only person in the entire country who doesn’t have a phone or a camera. However, my curiosity is up, so I might grab a bag of carrots and mosey over and see what the place looks like.
I think you need (if you already haven’t) talk to Morgan ? at the Horse Protection place in Micanopy. I’ve gone out there once and she seemed to be pretty sensible. She might have an angle or two that you could explore.
I will see what the place looks like this Saturday, but unfortunately, no pictures.
Oh, your old vet must have some past colleagues/acquaintence vets in the area. Maybe he can persuade one or more to drop by.[/QUOTE]
betonbill – call some friends tonight and see if someone has an old cell phone with a camera that you can borrow (if you’re still planning to go). Lots of people get new phones and toss old ones in a desk drawer. Then at least we’d have something to look at.
Thank You
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How do you post photos?
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You have to upload them to a image hosting site, photobucket, flickr etc, and post the link to the uploaded picture.
I believe you have to have a premium membership to upload them here.
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Have you actually been reading the post? When you say they are not vilifying the owners?
Oh my gosh if that is not some mean things being said I don’t know what is.
Why don’t you come visit her horse and see for yourself?[/QUOTE]
SOME people on this forum would throw Mother Theresa under the bus…since you,FLAPUALG are new to the forum…don’t take it ALL too personally.
Most folks here are really concerned about Max based on the pictures. And yes, people who know Max have been to the farm recently and taken the pictures and informed the prior owner…they are concerned.
I am pretty passionate about rescue having both done it personally and also helped MANY rescue organizations over MANY years. However, I am in the camp that feels that Mill Creek is a lovely facility and most horses would be lucky to be there. That said, it doesn’t look, to many of us, like Max is thriving in that environment.
The prior owner is a few hours away and works on Saturday…It would be marvelous if she could visit Max on another day as you have suggested. Please don’t paint her as an uncaring person , that just is not the case. She made an excellent choice for him at the time, made provision to be informed WITH A RETURN ANYTIME CONTRACT if it didn’t work out but due to unforeseen circumstances didn’t become aware of Max’ situation until 3 weeks after he went to Mill Creek. She volunteered information and financial support for him and was rebuffed. Therefore a complaint was filed and here we are.
Isn’t this ABOUT THE HORSE??? Doesn’t EVERYONE want to see him thrive? To heck with egos and iron clad ideas…let’s figure out what works for MAX!!!
Well-said, uphill. :yes:
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But it was fair of you to imply that the OP kept the horse locked up in a hot barn so that he “couldn’t run free”.
Any rescue worth it’s salt would have turned Max over to his prior owner immediately and featured it as a success story on the website. Yay! Happy ending for Max- with his former owner of many years, will live out his retirement in luxury and with love.
Instead: In summary, the horse is fine, we know better than you, leave us alone.
Even if the horse had been in GOOD condition, they should have turned him over to a prior owner, especially one with applicable paperwork!!
The owners are probably nice people who give many horses a good home. Unfortunately, their view of senior equine horse care is antiquated and very typical of an older generation. A horse being old is NOT an excuse for it to be skinny. And their refusal to surrender the horse to a prior owner, especially when not thriving, is inexplicable.
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You have to upload them to a image hosting site, photobucket, flickr etc, and post the link to the uploaded picture.
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If they are so unreasonable and rigid I would just cut through the BS and go over at night and take him. Cut the damned fence or whatever would work. He needs to be rescued. Starving slowly to death is abuse. I would call the sheriff and file charges, whatever it takes – get him out ASAP! If they are that old they may not even notice he’s gone. Hide him someplace and they’ll give up. JMHO Do what is right for the horse!
PennyG
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Flap is either an alien or a foreigner who clearly has no idea wth he/she is talking about. i am going to ask him/her to kindly tell me WHY these fabulous retirement people wont just say “okay come get the horse”. One less to feed and “groom” twice a week. I am willing to wager the horse may not even be there anymore.[/QUOTE]
FLAPUALG is on the BOD at MC and has been a volunteer there since 1992. I do not know her personal horse experience. I know that we agree that horses should have access to pasture…what we don’t agree upon is that not ALL horses thrive in that situation.
I have always given horses choice and MANY CHOOSE their stalls… with doors open, it IS their choice. One size never fits all!
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I saw one photo. Is there more than one. You said photos so I am not sure how to open them.
Can you resend or repost them?[/QUOTE]
If you’re the person who has been e-mailing me, I have sent you the links.
However, the fact that you don’t know where the links are shows that you clearly have not thoroughly read this thread. I suggest a slow and careful read.
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I saw one photo. Is there more than one. You said photos so I am not sure how to open them.
Can you resend or repost them?[/QUOTE]
Flapualg glad to see you back let me know if you work out an off hours time for me to come visit. Thanks for looking into that.
These are the photo’s taken of Max at Mill Creek on Oct 5th
http://oi44.tinypic.com/2euph8h.jpg
http://oi39.tinypic.com/wla1e.jpg
http://oi44.tinypic.com/110f7md.jpg
So, now that I have sent Nora the links to the photos, here is her response:
Max apparently is doing well there and walking without difficulty and eating well. Perhaps any weight loss was do to the change of situation but as I say that 2nd photo is very deceptive. I have seen him and he holds his head high and he trots to the fence and takes carrots and continues to graze…certainly not that demeanor that that photo would suggest.
I responded that it is not the horse’s DEMEANOR that we are concerned about. It is the horse’s dramatic weight loss and the fact that nobody at Mill Creek appears to be concerned about it or is willing to do anything about it that has us all worried about the horse’s welfare.
These are the photos taken of Max before he left and upon arrival at Mill Creek in late July
http://oi42.tinypic.com/2cz3l2d.jpg
