Folks, this is why I posted here about this situation. Only USEF can verify points or eligibility. I will say that results from a show most often are sent into USEF before an actual measurement, done at that show or even an earlier one, is posted to their data base. We stewards have 14 days to get our reports and paperwork into USEF (I always send mine within 2 days, along with the paperwork). Once that measurement is posted, the “bad” points turn to good points. I’m not saying this is what happened here - I wasn’t present at this show, do not know where it is, and no situation like this has ever been presented to me at a competition. That is why I said to call Natalie Norwood - she can start a follow-up given complete information and settle this dilemma. If the OP doesn’t call, because she apparently knows who all these “violators” are, then nothing will be done. We, outside the situation, can do nothing about this. There are no specific rules to this situation, but it does make sense that corrections will be made, should this be proven. All the rules for the Pony Finals, other than what is in the RB, are on the USEF web site. FYI, in these last 2 weeks, I have measured horses and ponies, whose owners joined USEF/USHJA and recorded their animals at the show. None of what they win will show up as good points yet, because the results are in, but the paperwork is not. That’s why we give copies of membership applications and copies of measurement forms to them. Hope this helps a bit. I don’t much like to post on these forums because it’s so easy to get words misconstrued. You all know what to do to get a review started. It’s up to you, Limerick. Good luck.
I’m confused. Did it happen several times with different ponies? Or at several shows with the same pony? Either way, I hope it gets sorted out.
I knew somebody years ago who ended up champion at the National Horse Show after the original champion was disqualified following a drug test. But it took many months, and the points got completely jumbled around when the first horse was eliminated after the fact. The one who ended up champion had not been reserve champion at the start.
I appreciate your input. It is not my kid. I went through the qualification process with my own daughters a few years ago. I heard about the measurement issue back in February so there was plenty of time to get the card info inputted on the USE website considering the show happened in December! Since hearing about the other issues (lack of membership etc) I wanted to help find the correct info for this parent as it should not have happened. The PF qualifying period can get very stressful and expensive for these families and one hopes that the show has verified that all entries are eligible to try and qualify. The people involved who can get this remedied have the USE contact info. It has certainly been educational for me!
That is quite a story!!
My guess is that what you suggest is exactly what happened here. I’ve had multiple ponies/horses measured over the years, and I have NEVER been able to show without the measurement because the office wouldn’t give me a back number. And I CANNOT imagine that this pony was permitted to show multiple times at different venues without a measurement. Even after being measured, the paperwork may not catch up to the USEF offices and posted online amongst the pony’s/horse’s records for several weeks. I had one set of paperwork that fell into the category of “sh!t happens” and didn’t get resolved until close to two months later. That goes for any paperwork: measurement, microchip, ownership transfer/renewal, etc. In the meantime, the points just show up as “Bad Points” until the paperwork catches up – for weeks and maybe many weeks.
People need to slow down before calling people cheaters especially when they neither fully understand the process nor have all the facts. Sounds like the OP is only relying on the online records of the USEF and has no actual knowledge of whether or not the pony was measured or any actual knowledge whether or not the owner was an active member.
Who has called anyone a cheater? I know more about this situation than I am revealing but am approaching it here from the viewpoint of “what does happen to the points.” I assumed there would be USEF rule about such issues. Also the membership and measurement cards are separate incidents.
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Separate or not - doesn’t matter. Both issues can lag the online USEF records because of paperwork. I’m in the middle of this issue RIGHT NOW. All the paperwork was in order at the show, it just hasn’t caught up to the USEF.
Do tell…
Yes, I understand that you’re convinced that someone is cheating and are now looking to assess the punishment. Some of us, who’ve been through this a time or two (or ten), aren’t convinced there is a problem to begin with.
ETA: Whoever owns the “third best pony” that you’re trying to assist better keep showing their pony if the goal is to qualify for pony finals…
Bent Hickory, well when you put it that way it does sound like I said they were cheating. Sorry, that was not my intention~I really thought there would be USE rules governing points and prizes redistribution following a disqualification.
Thank you, Bent Hickory. Exactly what I was trying to say but did not do as eloquently. Very well-put.
Here is what I have learned (and it is what Bev Bedard tried to explain!!) You can qualify for Pony Finals BUT be ineligible to attend if you are not a USEF member or have the pony properly recorded. For example, if you showed and paid the USEF non member fee and qualified but did not get a membership within 10 days, you qualified BUT can’t attend. I always thought that all of those things were required (along with measurement card) before you received your number but that is not the case. Learned something new.
Thanks Limerick.
