How do you feel about door knockers?

[QUOTE=bathsheba8542;8303438]
Sorry, but I’d be more than a little pissed. We installed a gate with a security code for just this reason. If you’re not invited, you are not welcome. A couple of crazies ruined it for everyone else.[/QUOTE]

That is the way it was here, the last straw, after many such instances, when a drunk drove down our private road one night and we found him next morning early, still passed out, a few feet off dropping into a deep canyon.
He would not have been found for a while, maybe days, if he had driven those few feet more.

That is when our sheriff, that came to take him in, told us to please, close and lock the gate, would make everyone’s life easier and safer.
So we did.

Now if someone knocks at the door, it is trespassing and the question would be, why and how did they get here and what are they up to?

Once someone did knock at the door, it was our veterinarian, that had bought an ultralight and was flowing it home, when he ran out of fuel and tried to land in our dry playa lake, flipping it over.
He then walked to the house, still dazed, but would not let me call an ambulance.
At his request, I drove him home, where his wife took over.

[QUOTE=beowulf;8302775]
That’s cute. The last stranger that came to my house tried to rob me while I was in the shower. Chihuahua & co escorted him out. It was almost funny, except for I very surely could have been seriously hurt or killed that day if that chihuahua I just HAPPENED to be reluctantly fostering hadn’t been such a vicious little a$$hat.

People have been dangerous in our entire evolutionary line. We have been eliminating, eradicating, killing, sacrificing, devouring, pillaging, thieving and raping since before we had a formed language.

There is nothing in the world so dangerous as a person, just remember that.

People have every right to suspect a strange someone approaching them either wants something taken from them or something given to them. Especially in the privacy of their own home.

I don’t think that violence has risen in the past couple of decades, nor do I believe people have really gone psycho - but I do think now there is more awareness about the atrocities humans are capable of committing.

I completely understand the coldness I was given when I was knocking in upstate NY. Honestly, if someone approached my house now asking to board (we haven’t gotten anyone yet) I’d be very cold to them too. I might ask a few questions to gauge if they were fruitbats or not but honestly there are very real people out there who have very real sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies and someone who is trusting or warm will be very easily beguiled.[/QUOTE]

I am glad I do not have the same view of the human race as you. So a poisonous snake, a crocodile, a shark or a grizzly bear are more welcome at your house than a person. Okay. But, that being said, I used to do this when I lived in Virginia and it was years ago. After the real estate boom when people bought horse properties who were not horse people I got the oddest looks and the liability issue thrust at me. It is not possible around here, I found, unless they were public stables (which I did not want), I wound up going to network via FB groups in the area, feed stores and by whatever word of mouth I could dig up.

[QUOTE=buck22;8301511]
What an interesting read! I live in a famously not-friendly state, over developed and people are cranky as heck - myself included. When I was in a similar position years ago, I drove around looking at larger busy farms, and knocked on doors. While welcomes weren’t always snuggly warm, no one acted put-off for a moment. I was inquiring about a business transaction afterall, and who doesn’t appreciate more business? I did manage to find my next boarding stable this way, after a lovely and agreeable encounter.

Interesting to read some of the comments of being alone in the country and wary of strangers. Perhaps us urbanites - while not the friendliest of folk - are more accustomed to dealing with strangers on a virtual daily basis. And as we’re packed in like sardines, there is no feeling of isolation. We’re good for about 5 seconds of our time, to size you up and hear the first half of your “elevator pitch”, otherwise we have no problem slamming the door rudely in your face :lol:

OP, I’m all for knockers!

I say knock away, you never ever ever know you you’re going to meet. Just make sure you’re wearing a thick skin that day.[/QUOTE]

No kidding. I find it hysterical in the context of “small town values.” So much for the days when Mom loaded my sister and I in the car on a Saturday or Sunday for a day of barn-hopping.

[QUOTE=Calamber;8305426]
I am glad I do not have the same view of the human race as you. So a poisonous snake, a crocodile, a shark or a grizzly bear are more welcome at your house than a person. Okay. But, that being said, I used to do this when I lived in Virginia and it was years ago. After the real estate boom when people bought horse properties who were not horse people I got the oddest looks and the liability issue thrust at me. It is not possible around here, I found, unless they were public stables (which I did not want), I wound up going to network via FB groups in the area, feed stores and by whatever word of mouth I could dig up.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure where you inferred from my post that I welcomed wild animals into my house over strangers.

However, my post was only reminding the other poster that humans are very dangerous - perhaps more-so than animals. An animal would usually only kill you if you were a threat or food. Humans kill for no reason. They kill for asinine reasons.

I don’t really think it’s unreasonable to point out it’s incredibly naive to think that strangers swinging by your house are always for benign purposes.

[QUOTE=BuddyRoo;8299656]
About fifteen years ago, I found a great piece of land to lease for my horses by literally driving out in the country and knocking on doors of homes with land and barns. I met some really cool and helpful people (like the Dean of the Veterinary College at MSU who invited me in for dinner and then let me accompany him to a colic surgery!)

Anyway…I’m on the hunt again for a place to board. I would honestly prefer to just find some land to lease or a small private place that doesn’t really “do” boarding but has room for an extra horse. Mine is semi retired, I don’t need anything fancy, I enjoy doing the day to day care myself, etc.

So…I’ve been considering driving around and doing the door knocking thing again. How do you feel about that though if you’ve got a small private place of your own? Offended? Annoyed? No big deal?

When I did it before, I just knocked, introduced myself and said that I was new to the area and looking for a place to keep my horses (true again now). Asked if they were interested or could recommend anyone in the area. No one seemed put out but as I think on it more now, I think maybe it’s not proper.[/QUOTE]

You’ll have no problem with me. Just be respectful of where you poke your head around. My property makes that fairly easy.

David

This is for you Beowulf.

From a flight attendant on Delta Flight 15, written following 9-11:

On the morning of Tuesday, September 11, we were about 5 hours out of Frankfurt, flying over the North Atlantic.

All of a sudden the curtains parted and I was told to go to the cockpit, immediately, to see the captain.

As soon as I got there I noticed that the crew had that “All Business” look on their faces. The captain handed me a printed message. It was from Delta’s main office in Atlanta and simply read, “All airways over the Continental United States are closed to commercial air traffic. Land ASAP at the nearest airport. Advise your destination.”

No one said a word about what this could mean. We knew it was a serious situation and we needed to find terra firma quickly. The captain determined that the nearest airport was 400 miles behind us in Gander, Newfoundland.
He requested approval for a route change from the Canadian traffic controller and approval was granted immediately — no questions asked. We found out later, of course, why there was no hesitation in approving our request.

While the flight crew prepared the airplane for landing, another message arrived from Atlanta telling us about some terrorist activity in the New York area. A few minutes later word came in about the hijackings.

We decided to LIE to the passengers while we were still in the air. We told them the plane had a simple instrument problem and that we needed to land at the nearest airport in Gander, Newfoundland, to have it checked out.
We promised to give more information after landing in Gander. There was much grumbling among the passengers, but that’s nothing new! Forty minutes later, we landed in Gander. Local time at Gander was 12:30 PM …. that’s 11:00 AM EST.

There were already about 20 other airplanes on the ground from all over the
world that had taken this detour on their way to the US.

After we parked on the ramp, the captain made the following announcement: “Ladies and gentlemen, you must be wondering if all these airplanes around us have the same instrument problem as we have. The reality is that we are here for another reason.”

Then he went on to explain the little bit we knew about the situation in the US. There were loud gasps and stares of disbelief. The captain informed passengers that Ground control in Gander told us to stay put.

The Canadian Government was in charge of our situation and no one was allowed to get off the aircraft. No one on the ground was allowed to come near any of the air crafts. Only airport police would come around periodically, look us over and go on to the next airplane.

In the next hour or so more planes landed and Gander ended up with 53 airplanes from all over the world, 27 of which were US commercial jets.
Meanwhile, bits of news started to come in over the aircraft radio and for the first time we learned that airplanes were flown into the World Trade Center in New York and into the Pentagon in DC.

People were trying to use their cell phones, but were unable to connect due to a different cell system in Canada . Some did get through, but were only able to get to the Canadian operator who would tell them that the lines to the U.S. were either blocked or jammed.

Sometime in the evening the news filtered to us that the World Trade Center buildings had collapsed and that a fourth hijacking had resulted in a crash. By now the passengers were emotionally and physically exhausted, not to mention frightened, but everyone stayed amazingly calm.
We had only to look out the window at the 52 other stranded aircraft to realize that we were not the only ones in this predicament.
We had been told earlier that they would be allowing people off the planes one plane at a time. At 6 PM, Gander airport told us that our turn to deplane would be 11 am the next morning.

Passengers were not happy, but they simply resigned themselves to this news without much noise and started to prepare themselves to spend the night on the airplane.

Gander had promised us medical attention, if needed, water, and lavatory servicing.And they were true to their word.

Fortunately, we had no medical situations to worry about. We did have a young lady who was 33 weeks into her pregnancy. We took REALLY good care of her. The night passed without incident despite the uncomfortable sleeping arrangements.

About 10:30 on the morning of the 12th a convoy of school buses showed up. We got off the plane and were taken to the terminal where we went through Immigration and Customs and then had to register with the Red Cross.

After that we (the crew) were separated from the passengers and were taken in vans to a small hotel.

We had no idea where our passengers were going. We learned from the Red Cross that the town of Gander has a population of 10,400 people and they had about 10,500 passengers to take care of from all the airplanes that were forced into Gander!

We were told to just relax at the hotel and we would be contacted when the US airports opened again, but not to expect that call for a while.

We found out the total scope of the terror back home only after getting to our hotel and turning on the TV, 24 hours after it all started.

Meanwhile, we had lots of time on our hands and found that the people of Gander were extremely friendly. They started calling us the “plane people.” We enjoyed their hospitality, explored the town of Gander and ended up having a pretty good time.
Two days later, we got that call and were taken back to the Gander airport. Back on the plane, we were reunited with the passengers and found out what they had been doing for the past two days.
What we found out was incredible……
Gander and all the surrounding communities (within about a 75 Kilometer radius) had closed all high schools, meeting halls, lodges, and any other large gathering places. They converted all these facilities to mass lodging areas for all the stranded travelers.
Some had cots set up, some had mats with sleeping bags and pillows set up.
ALL the high school students were required to volunteer their time to take care of the “guests.”

Our 218 passengers ended up in a town called Lewisporte, about 45 kilometers from Gander where they were put up in a high school. If any women wanted to be in a women-only facility, that was arranged.

Families were kept together. All the elderly passengers were taken to private homes.

Remember that young pregnant lady? She was put up in a private home right across the street from a 24-hour Urgent Care facility. There was a dentist on call and both male and female nurses remained with the crowd for the duration.

Phone calls and e-mails to the U.S. and around the world were available to everyone once a day.

During the day, passengers were offered “Excursion” trips.

Some people went on boat cruises of the lakes and harbors. Some went for hikes in the local forests.

Local bakeries stayed open to make fresh bread for the guests.

Food was prepared by all the residents and brought to the schools. People were driven to restaurants of their choice and offered wonderful meals. Everyone was given tokens for local laundry mats to wash their clothes, since luggage was still on the aircraft.

In other words, every single need was met for those stranded travelers.
Passengers were crying while telling us these stories. Finally, when they were told that U.S. airports had reopened, they were delivered to the airport right on time and without a single passenger missing or late. The local Red Cross had all the information about the whereabouts of each and every passenger and knew which plane they needed to be on and when all the planes were leaving. They coordinated everything beautifully.
It was absolutely incredible.

When passengers came on board, it was like they had been on a cruise. Everyone knew each other by name. They were swapping stories of their stay, impressing each other with who had the better time.

Our flight back to Atlanta looked like a chartered party flight. The crew just stayed out of their way. It was mind-boggling.

Passengers had totally bonded and were calling each other by their first names, exchanging phone numbers, addresses, and email addresses.
And then a very unusual thing happened.

One of our passengers approached me and asked if he could make an announcement over the PA system. We never, ever allow that. But this time was different. I said “of course” and handed him the mike. He picked up the PA and reminded everyone about what they had just gone through in the last few days.

He reminded them of the hospitality they had received at the hands of total strangers.
He continued by saying that he would like to do something in return for the good folks of Lewisporte.

"He said he was going to set up a Trust Fund under the name of DELTA 15 (our flight number). The purpose of the trust fund is to provide college scholarships for the high school students of Lewisporte.

He asked for donations of any amount from his fellow travelers. When the paper with donations got back to us with the amounts, names, phone numbers and addresses, the total was for more than $14,000!

"The gentleman, a MD from Virginia , promised to match the donations and to start the administrative work on the scholarship. He also said that he would forward this proposal to Delta Corporate and ask them to donate as well.

As I write this account, the trust fund is at more than $1.5 million and has assisted 134 students in college education.

Pretty cool story, huh. It reminds us of how many helpful people there are in the world. The ones who aren’t helpful just get a lot more press.

Please feel free to share.

Calamber… inspiring story except the only reason that is a story is because a group of people/strangers committed a horrific act against innocent civilians… doesn’t really strengthen your argument at all.

I know there are good people out there. There are. But there are also very bad people out there, who can and will hurt you. So while you may think that the door-stopper is harmless, remember it is very real in many parts of the world where a person alone is raped, robbed, or killed. It has happened to some of our own on COTH, it has happened to our neighbors, families, friends – and the assaulters have been neighbors, family, friends…

Calamber, the reason the people of Gander was so friendly was because these “plane” people were not “strangers”. There was a specific reason they were there. There was no question why they were there. It is completely different from strangers with no clear motive to knock on your doors.

Also remember, people of Gander were the ones initiating the hospitality. “Plane” people did not go wandering around the town knocking on the doors demanding hospitality.

I don’t really think that serious crimes have increased but I do think that entitlement has increased EXPONENTIALLY. I’m not exactly sure why. It took some work on my parents’ part to instill upon me the boundaries of the neighborhood, i.e. that one did NOT just go in so-and-so’s yard, even to retrieve a kickball or softball. But it was not for lack of trying and they kept on with fair, consistent discipline or punishment until it stuck with me. For life LOL! Even when I was playing in other people’s yards against my parents’ wishes, it was not because I thought they owed it to me, or because they were obligated to share with me. I pet horses because I loved them, and if I told my mother that I was asked not to, her reaction was “Why were you petting someone else’s horse/dog/cat to begin with? Not. Yours. Period.”

I’ve heard so many stories about parents backing the kids up on these flights of fancy where everything is fair game. That never would have happened when I was growing up.

So you take the risk, however small, of crime or assault – which of course will vary by area. Then add it to the risk of annoyance and overstepping of boundaries, which is growing all the time. Then figure how little legitimate activity takes place “door to door” now – how much is done online and electronically, making the person in the yard an anomaly. Put all that together and I think a healthy suspicion of folks at the door is understandable… and wise.

I wouldn’t mind but personally I think local facebook groups and Boarding wanted ads on craigslist would be the best bet.