If you have $2500 to buy a saddle with...

First, let me say that Kate Wooten is the real deal. She lets you try different brands of saddles, used and new. She is not a hard sell. She is truly interested in getting the saddle that fits you and your horse. I know this, because I have been had by other saddle fitters, who only wanted to sell me the latest design of their brand, ie: County.

I have bought 2 custom saddles. One was from County, who talked me out of an Extreme, for the brand new style, Conquest. I had bought an used Extreme for my Appendix QH. I sold it with him, because saddle quests are a PIA. I called the Country rep to get an Extreme made for my new mare. They pushed the Conquest. It did not fit me, nor, eventually, her. Their fix was to buy an expensive pad, with shims. I sold it.

I listened to a friend, who told me that Richard Castelow was the way to go. Big Bucks!! The saddle fit my mare, but did not fit my long thigh. I need a more forward flap, when my stirrups are up for cross country. When I put my stirrups up to the correct length, my knee was over the front of the flap. When I went to Mr. Castelow, I got a lecture about how Jimmy Wofford, nor George Morris understand how a rider’s leg position should be when jumping! If I could use any of the similes, it would be incredulous!!

I bought a Pessoa monoflap, for my OTTB mare. It fits her and has room for my leg to have short stirrups. The balance point for my galloping position is spot on. I paid $2,500 for it. I will never trust Custom saddles again, unless Kate Wooten is selling it, of course. Insert wink!

Auburn you’re funny. This no smiley thing is kill me too! And funny… I had similar issues with a county rep. When I bought my used county I couldn’t even get the rep out to fit it… mad because I didn’t purchase new from them? Maybe…

The $2500 isn’t a struggle to afford, it’s just that it’s a pretty high price tag compared to what I’m used to spending. And it scares me. I’m lucky enough however to have owned my horses both for over 10 years, so I know their widest wide and their most narrow narrow. With their age, it’s not likely either will change outside of that. I’ve only got about another 5-7 years out of either of them until I retire them. At least partially anyway.

I think I’m going to purchase a synthetic saddle (that I know works for my horses as I used to use this particular one for years until I wanted a “real” saddle. Kicking myself for selling it!) for the time being to get me through until Kate makes it out and then I’ll order the loxley. I’ve had no secret PMs about Kate not making anything right so I have full faith in her that the saddle will fit when it arrives and pony will be pleased. As will I. Kate and I have been discussing this saddle (and others) for over a year, and through my many a Facebook posts, she knows both my horses pretty well. I’m feeling more confident.

That being said, do keep the advice coming. Good and bad stories. I’ve still got a few weeks to mull over it but I’m feeling excited about opening the box with a whiney new saddle in it!

I prefer to spend 1000-1500 on a used saddle that I can try. It’s already broken in, you will probably be able to sell it for that same amount in a year or 2 if circumstances change. Saddles seem to be like cars - the minute you ride around the arena in them, they lose significant value from new, but once they hit that used price (30-50% of new) they stay there until they are so old you shouldn’t be riding in them any more. That means you can buy/sell them without taking many losses, and then just think of it as a rental fee.

That’s a very good price for a custom. Provided it fits. I have heard very good things about Kate, so if you have a horse that truly is hard to fit, you might need to go that route.

I will not buy a saddle that I can’t ride in.

But, I’ve also been very lucky that both of my horses are not difficult to fit and although I have long femurs there are enough saddles out there now built to fit someone like me.

I ride in a Jeffries JMX Monoflap. Great saddle. I liked the first one so much I bought a second one as my mare is significantly wider than my gelding. Not a hugely expensive saddle to start with, you can pick them up on the used market for about $1200. They are no longer made so they are getting a bit scarce. For me, the balance point is perfect. I feel much more secure out foxhunting than I did in saddles that cost (cough) considerably more.

Good luck with your search.

Hillary, the problem with spending that on a saddle is I’m not going to find one local. I’ve tried. So I have to get it shipped. Roughly $50 then if it doesn’t work I have to ship it back so I’m out $100 so next saddle comes that’s anther $50 and if it works, I’ll have to have the fitter out to adjust flocking so my $1500 is now up to roughly $1800 which still isn’t $2500, but it’s more than I want to spend on a used saddle. And that’s assuming I can find something for $1500. I’ve been searching. For a very long time. Saddles that I’ve been referred to try aren’t working for her and I don’t know why! Ugh! It’s frustrating. Everyone said Albion was a good fit for her and I’ve tried several and none fit her stupid round mutten wither. It’s driving me crazy. crying fsce

Whoever said Albion for mutton withers is crazy.

I understand wanting to get something that works and just be settled, especially when you’re dealing with a “special needs” situation. The only custom-built saddle I ever bought was for my TB with Kissing Spines and it was worth having something that made him happy(ish).

I seriously have a million saddle threads and in everyone someone references Albion. Seriously?!? Well no wonder they didn’t fit!

Sorry, this is the first time I’m reading this; I would have chimed in and dissented sooner! Albions are pretty typically on the narrow side and great for horses with the TB/shark fin wither type of build. Maybe they’ve recently made some radical changes, but that’s been the typical style for a long time.

Like I said, there’s no shame in finding some peace of mind with something you know will work rather than waiting for the unicorn to appear on consignment/eBay/Facebook.

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I don’t think I’ve spoken to a single person who went that route and DIDN’T have problems. I’m sure those people exist, and perhaps they are just less vocal.[/QUOTE]

My custom Black County was exactly as ordered and fit perfectly. I don’t have a single complaint and it was a problem-free experience. I would buy another.

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Hillary, the problem with spending that on a saddle is I’m not going to find one local. I’ve tried. So I have to get it shipped. Roughly $50 then if it doesn’t work I have to ship it back so I’m out $100 so next saddle comes that’s anther $50 and if it works, I’ll have to have the fitter out to adjust flocking so my $1500 is now up to roughly $1800 which still isn’t $2500, but it’s more than I want to spend on a used saddle. And that’s assuming I can find something for $1500. I’ve been searching. For a very long time. Saddles that I’ve been referred to try aren’t working for her and I don’t know why! Ugh! It’s frustrating. Everyone said Albion was a good fit for her and I’ve tried several and none fit her stupid round mutten wither. It’s driving me crazy. crying fsce[/QUOTE]

That was me last year. I spent at least $200 on shipping saddles to and from. TBH I sort of settled for my L’Apogee. I knew it wasn’t a perfect fit for my horse, but it was for me, and it seems that between the two of us I was the harder one to fit. I contacted the seller with my concerns and she cut me a deal on it that I couldn’t refuse. Even if I end up getting new panels (wool or new foam, not sure yet) it will still be cheaper than any custom I could have ordered or any high end brand used I could find.

So, I feel your pain on the buy/try/ship back home. It’s a huge PITA and very discouraging, but at least we didn’t get stuck with saddles that don’t fit!

I’m very gun shy of custom saddles, especially Loxley, but think you are in good hands with Kate Wooten. I was not so lucky with the fitter in my area and wouldn’t go with that brand again maybe because of that. I now would much prefer spending the money on a nice used saddle of higher quality (paying $2500 for a saddle that was $3000-4000 originally) and knowing it fits my horse. The custom saddle route was nothing short of a nightmare for me. But Kate was the one that helped me get out eventually. I am now very happy with a used Black Country jump and a used Albion dressage.

I found my used Black Country and loved all the options around on the market, but the used BCs were often close to $2500, so certainly sounds like a good price with a reputable fitter. But I question a bit the finances - you note you are still paying off credit cards, and note the money lost on shipping for saddle trials. I’m super financially uptight, and went through a divorce a few years ago, which are expensive because they’re worth it! But I would despise each ride in a saddle if it caused me financial stress, so as long as it is not cutting into credit card payments or whatever in a way that stresses you, do it. It sounds like a decent deal, but if you can’t or don’t want to afford it, then it’s not a good deal for you.

Yes, shipping is a bear. I had to try 27 saddles on one horse before I found one that fit. She had a weird combination of shoulder/wither shape and a short back and everything rode up her neck. I get it. I am lucky that I live near Pelham saddlery and also have generous friends with saddle collections of their own so I did not need to ship every one of those 27 but I really do feel your pain.

There is one Albion that fits mutton withered horses - my friend has it and it worked very well for her horse. I cannot remember the model. It was a dressage saddle, though, I don’t know about their jump saddles.

I’m definitely not stressed financially. I’ve just given up caring about the credit cards. I pay a good amount each month on them, but it’s a high amount… most of it is from my horses vet treatment for her eye a few years ago. I just recently started paying more than the minimum payment, so I’m only now making progress on paying them off in a reasonable amount of time. Theoretically, they should be paid off by mid summer. The extra 1k that I’d have from not buying the loxley would get me ahead by a few weeks. I’m just not sure if that few weeks is worth me not getting the loxley.

Much to think about! I’ve got the night off from work, so I’m going to hunt the internet for options!

It’s worth calling Annette Gavin and Kate Wilson to see if they have anything that might work in their used/demo collection.

If you have credit card debt you should not buy a $2500 saddle.

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Vxf111, who are they?

And I didn’t come here for financial advice, thanks.

Fitters who stock used the kind of British wool flocked saddles you’re interested in.

If you have that much debt and can only make minimum payments I would purchase a cheaper saddle (by at least half) and put the rest on the credit cards.

There are plenty of cheaper options out there (and I love Kate Wooten and her saddles) for someone in your situation. Stick to just using your jumping saddle or talk to Kate about cheaper options, or get your tracings now and buy the saddle when your cards are paid off.

Am I remembering wrong or has this saga not been going on for like, 18 months? I seem to remember a thread about rolex last year where you were looking at $6000 CWDs.

My advice to you is - do not buy a custom saddle if you do not 100% know what you want. Buyer’s remorse isn’t a valid return reason. If you are not 1000% sure you can live with what shows up as long as it matches what you ordered and not defective, then don’t buy a custom saddle.

These threads keep getting started and it ends with “I’m just going to buy a Wintec.” It’s like having a glass of wine with a friend and she tells you she’s going to buy a Range Rover tomorrow and then you see her again and she’s bought a 2001 Ford Explorer instead because it’s “just as good as any other.”

I’m sure I’m not the only one baffled by someone sitting in top of the line custom saddles and then going out and looking for something identical in the $1000 range, and saying used is a bad deal. It’s just confusing.

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