I'm sitting right in front of George Morris!!

I’ve audited him several times and watched my friend/trainer and some of her students ride with him as well. In fact, George got on my friend’s little OTTB and became a little “dislodged” when he was showing how to ask and ride a counter canter without stirrups. That horse is very squirrely but doesn’t look like it on the ground.

Another student rode my OTTB in another clinic and George rode him and jumped him a little. My “Sweetums” was great and behaved almost perfectly, except he didn’t like to stand still for very long. George had to “explain” that to him and proceeded to explain to us why it was important. I was only slightly embarrassed…:o

I very much appreciate his willingness to give the clinics and share his vast knowledge with all of us!

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While the girl maybe shouldn’t have been there, letting a 13 year old girl “have it” is highly inappropriate. Way to discourage the future of our sport. I guess I shall add that to reasons why I would never set foot in a GM clinic.[/QUOTE]

No. It’s totally appropriate. If the girl can’t handle it, she definitely doesn’t need to be there and doesn’t have what it takes. This little girl kept showing up everyday, though. She kept trying. I’m willing the bet, despite how hard he was on her for not being prepared, that he was impressed that she kept coming back.

You don’t have to ride with GM, but he is a legacy and a great teacher. I would certainly be honored to ride with him! He has done a wonderful job for the sport. You’re missing out.

[QUOTE=Ready To Riot;8862874]
Oh yes. He called us stupid too!! Haha and really went to town about how dumb the south is and how he has to repeat himself 10 times![/QUOTE]

Bless his heart.

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Not to bring this back up - but there was something on FB recently praising how lightly Charlotte Dujardin rides Valegro with her seat. Kind of a new train of thought that strength and finesse to be able to lighten your seat using your legs might be moving us away from some of the harsher images of dressage.

I have found through auditing when George makes fun of dressage riders - it’s generally people who THINK they’re doing dressage but really they’re just flailing. I think it’s the easiest way to explain it to people and I don’t think it has to do with “pure dressage”. But yeah, if you spur your horse into a tight seat every stride - prepare to be berated and have him harp on how sorry he feels for your horse.[/QUOTE]

GM is extremely well versed in dressage. He advocates lightness in his training methods whether they be over fences or on the flat or full-on dressage work. Because he has trained with de Nemethy, Jean Froissard, and a host of French trainers, he is familiar with the classical seat which advocates lightness.
This concept has been around forever BTW.

Its riders like Charlotte and Carl, because of their successes, who are thankfully bringing the concept back to the forefront and discouraging the old practices of too much pushing, flailing legs/spuring, hauling on the mouth and dare I mention RK. Good riddance to them and thank you GM for your unlimited, and well shared knowledge.

[QUOTE=abrant;8862605]
Not to bring this back up - but there was something on FB recently praising how lightly Charlotte Dujardin rides Valegro with her seat. Kind of a new train of thought that strength and finesse to be able to lighten your seat using your legs might be moving us away from some of the harsher images of dressage.

I have found through auditing when George makes fun of dressage riders - it’s generally people who THINK they’re doing dressage but really they’re just flailing. I think it’s the easiest way to explain it to people and I don’t think it has to do with “pure dressage”. But yeah, if you spur your horse into a tight seat every stride - prepare to be berated and have him harp on how sorry he feels for your horse.[/QUOTE]

I took a dressage clinic last year and the clinician was great (she had a background in eventing). She worked on changing my position, riding more forward over the pommel on my crotch, with my legs/knees further back. This was to help slow down the hot/sensitive horse I was riding versus just half-halts with my hands. It definitely was a lot light in the saddle, pretty much just on crotch and not on my seat bones like one would probably assume how dressage riders sit.

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I’ve gone to watch his Oregon clinic the past two years. It’s been held at Rich Fellers’s home barn, and watching Rich, Shelly, and Chris ride under GM has been an amazing education. I sincerely hope he continues to come out our way now and again even though he’s slowing down. It’s always entertaining, and even though I watch the 4’+ section and show in the weenie adult hunters, I always feel like I learn something applicable.

Glad you got the opportunity to see him in action too, RTR![/QUOTE]

He took a break last year bc of book and Olympics, but he’s back this December! I’m go every year to watch.

I’ve only ever had him snap at auditors who were talking. He’s always been very gracious and complimentary that we’re there learning. That might also be because it’s cold as f&@! So anyone who’s there listening has to REALLY be wanting to learn ???

Try watching him somewhere else sometime. For fun, one year I drove up to a Seattle Hunter Barn. I couldn’t believe the lower heights and the simplified exercises. I talked to one of his regular riders, he said he definitely does the tough, challenging stuff at Rich’s, so we’re getting a real treat to watch it!

OP, it’s a small HJ world. No need for you to share details like this about the kid. If you really felt bad for her you would keep it to yourself.

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No. It’s totally appropriate. If the girl can’t handle it, she definitely doesn’t need to be there and doesn’t have what it takes. This little girl kept showing up everyday, though. She kept trying. I’m willing the bet, despite how hard he was on her for not being prepared, that he was impressed that she kept coming back.

You don’t have to ride with GM, but he is a legacy and a great teacher. I would certainly be honored to ride with him! He has done a wonderful job for the sport. You’re missing out.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like there may be more to this 13 year old girls story… ??

If you ride with GM expect some pressure :slight_smile:

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OP, it’s a small HJ world. No need for you to share details like this about the kid. If you really felt bad for her you would keep it to yourself.[/QUOTE]

She is riding in a public clinic that there are SEVERAL videos of. I don’t care how small the hunter jumper world is, it doesn’t change the fact that GM didn’t want her there. Sorry if you know the girl. Actually, I’m not sorry. I felt bad that she entered the clinic ill prepared and got her ass handed to her. If she doesn’t appreciate it, (which I believe she did!) there are plenty of riders on a waiting list that would have loved to have taken her spot. Me sharing MY EXPERIENCE on a public forum, is my business. It’s not like I observed a private lesson. My point was, if you aren’t prepared for the clinic, don’t go and allow riders who are prepared to ride. Don’t take a spot from a more prepared rider. Period.

I liked the kid and I felt bad for the kid. I believe she wants it. I also believe she is too young to know what that really means.

I haven’t met too many 13 year old who were capable of what’s required at as GM clinic. Not in terms of riding ability, but in terms of preparing and learning. If you’re taking a clinic from him, you should read his books, watch some of the videos of his clinics and come prepared to listen and learn. George is a known quality.

Sending an unprepared kid into the ring with him and hoping for the best is a little like sending a child to a sleepover at the Neverland Ranch and hoping for the best.

So, very sorry if this poor kid got embarrassed in public. But the people to blame are the adults who put her in the situation, knowing full well what the likely outcome would be.

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Hi clinics are NOT for the ill prepared nor shrinking violets!!![/QUOTE]

That’s for sure! My trainer who is a renowned trainer, jumped S and has an impeccable seat was supernervous before her Clinic with GM. She did ok but another rider (GP )who has around 1000 classes per Year under his belt got an earful about his seat…poor thing got called Ringer of Notre Dame…

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How should a clinician handle a rider that is not prepared for the level they are entered in and are not willing/able to do the exercises?
Would it be better if he ignored them and left them standing there doing nothing? Or should he let them get hurt and keep doing it wrong?
He can not spend all day getting that rider to a point where they can participate safely, then the other riders are left doing nothing.[/QUOTE]

He should explain to them, their parents, and/or their trainer exactly that. Not “let them have it.” This is a child, she certainly did not pay the money to get there, or pack up her pony and drive there. There is nothing gained by discouraging her by yelling.

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No. It’s totally appropriate. If the girl can’t handle it, she definitely doesn’t need to be there and doesn’t have what it takes. This little girl kept showing up everyday, though. She kept trying. I’m willing the bet, despite how hard he was on her for not being prepared, that he was impressed that she kept coming back.

You don’t have to ride with GM, but he is a legacy and a great teacher. I would certainly be honored to ride with him! He has done a wonderful job for the sport. You’re missing out.[/QUOTE]

TThen let her know that she isn’t ready for that level, but thank you for showing up every day and trying your hardest. Something like that. Not treating her poorly or publically humiliating her. She is a child. But then again, this is the same person who has no problem telling a rider to put down the fork. Also highly inappropriate in a society where women and girls especially, are already under huge pressure to fit into a unattainable body ideal.

He was very nice to the girl and said she was a nice little rider on the third day (with a different horse). He told the mother that she needs to be riding some made horses in addition to the green ones. He said if she is always on the green ones with vices, she will be beyond repair (i.e. riding defensively) and he won’t be able to help her. He also said mother/ daughter training teams don’t usually work, and advised them to seek out another instructor to help her. He explained to a later group that his method is breaking riders down to fix what needs to be fixed, and then building them back up.

[QUOTE=WinWinn;8864347]
He was very nice to the girl and said she was a nice little rider on the third day (with a different horse). He told the mother that she needs to be riding some made horses in addition to the green ones. He said if she is always on the green ones with vices, she will be beyond repair (i.e. riding defensively) and he won’t be able to help her. He also said mother/ daughter training teams don’t usually work, and advised them to seek out another instructor to help her. He explained to a later group that his method is breaking riders down to fix what needs to be fixed, and then building them back up.[/QUOTE]

Makes perfect sense for any rider really…if you are always on the naughty ones you develop habits just out of self preservation!! I did see a snipet of a video where he was saying what you mentioned about child/parent/trainer relationships.

[QUOTE=WinWinn;8864347]
He was very nice to the girl and said she was a nice little rider on the third day (with a different horse). He told the mother that she needs to be riding some made horses in addition to the green ones. He said if she is always on the green ones with vices, she will be beyond repair (i.e. riding defensively) and he won’t be able to help her. He also said mother/ daughter training teams don’t usually work, and advised them to seek out another instructor to help her. He explained to a later group that his method is breaking riders down to fix what needs to be fixed, and then building them back up.[/QUOTE]

I’m glad someone finally answered how she faired on the 3rd day. I asked back on page 2. Lol I’m glad he told her what I had already suspected. She was a great little rider and very tough. Her showing up, to me, says she will go far in the sport.

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I understand what you are getting at. I have audited many of his clinics and this is what he says about Dressage that they sit too deep… I always took it as a generalization saying some/many do this… not all :slight_smile:

Rider sitting too deep and leaning back -
http://www.happy-horse-training.com/images/xdressage_saddles_good_seat.jpg.pagespeed.ic.-R3qrRKFej.jpg

Rider more balanced over the horse -
http://www.lusitanohorsefinder.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/9I0A9333-copy.jpg

I posted those examples because that is what I understood in the clinics I have watched him teach. He wants riders to know and work to be educated on the weight of your body, hands, seat and legs and how they work on a horse.

It’s great that you had a great time but know this kind of stuff will often become a debate ;)[/QUOTE]

I know exactly what he means - it’s almost the opposite trend to the Hunter Perch he hates just as much :lol:. As much as I think he’s an @ss, I agree with him on this. I had a classically-trained dressage trainer work on getting me lighter in the tack (still sitting, but lighter, more neutral seatbones) and more centered with a still leg instead of behind the motion. Much more effective on a hot horse.

I’m hoping the way Charlotte D. rides becomes the new norm…

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A few times George would address the auditors directly and say stuff like “You people are so stupid because you don’t read.” “You would be lucky to understand 5% of what I am saying because you don’t have the mental capacity.” I was like WTH was that about? I don’t know if we looked puzzled or he saw someone scratching their heads or what but that was weird and unnecessary. I paid $80 to sit on my butt all day and felt it was worth 5 times that much. Maybe that is why he thought we were stupid?[/QUOTE]

Probably because some auditors DID look confused.

I watched a three day clinic last year. Great learning opportunity, very much enjoyed it. That being said, he sometimes simply doesn’t explain himself clearly. There were definitely times that the riders WERE paying attention (as was I as an auditor), and we were all still confused about the proposed exercise. Those riders were not afforded much benefit of the doubt, but when Amy Millar was confused about the same exercises as part of a demo later in the day, he certainly didn’t comment on HER inability to understand his instructions. :wink:

GM is GM, and I don’t realistically expect him to change. BUT under normal circumstances, I would hope that if a clinician often seemed to have confused riders/auditors, he might reflect on the fact that he is sometimes NOT terribly clear in his instructions. Its not a big deal - happens to the best of us.

That said, there are certainly lots of other times that I understood his frustration. I recall one advanced group who were being asked to jump a small fence and alter what they were doing with their hands (I believe he wanted a low following release). Fully within their capabilities particularly given the size of the fence. There was some pretty half hearted efforts on behalf of some, which was frustrating even people who are not GM.

OP…how awesome to have the opportunity to watch the master at work! I audited his clinic a Blackjack a few years ago. You couldn’t dream up a better facility in a more beautiful setting. Just gorgeous!

I think what most miss about GHM is that his ONLY priority is the well-being of the horse. He doesn’t give a flip if he offends rider, owner, mother, trainer. It is strictly about what’s best for the horse. That said, I found him to be fair, but with a dry sense of humor that most don’t pick up on as humor.

I’d go again in a heartbeat!!

My concern is less with what GM said and more with the OP sharing a kid’s humiliation on this forum. GM is a master teacher and rider, of course. But he likes to philosophize. I do not know the team in question and I don’t want to know because it kind of sickens me. But I do know for example about a zillion mother/child training teams. Perhaps as older kids the kids move on and become a working student for someone else. But I can think of one such team he just loved a few years ago and I’m thinking of some members of this forum who have successfully trained their own kids. At a certain point the philosophizing and speculation becomes a whole lot of hot air. If it weren’t he’d be coaching the gold medal Olympic team each and every time.