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#101

Exactly kkj!

He is a very lovely animal with gorgeous gaits. But there is absolutely no telling what he will pass on to babies and what he won’t. And this is not a strong indication of what his gaits will develop to be.

And yes I agree that a 3 year old should not been ridden in such an “up” and collected frame. And nor should a full grown man be sitting the trot. If he were my 3 year old, there is no way in heck he’d be doing this much already. Absolutely no way.

But, that’s just my opinion - everybody has their own! :smiley:

#102

Collected??? Why, bless your heart, you haven’t even seen “collected”.

Ever watch a horse snorting and blowing and trotting around when first turned out on a chilly autumn morning? It moves very similarly to the horse in the video. Lofty gaits, gorgeous.

But neither the horse in the field nor the horse in the video are what could be considered “collected” - at least I don’t think so.

Edited for clarification, and I still botched it up. Hopefully someone understands what I am saying and can maybe do a better job of explaining what I mean!

#103

I am cracking UP at the idea that I’m criticizing TS because I’m a DQ.

NOTE: I’m a QH and TWH owning noboby in Alabama who does nothing but trail ride. I have sat in a dressage saddle, once. I was, I think, 16 years old at the time. That was 1986.

I am critical of her because the only thing in the horse world she seems to think is ok, is to trail ride a horse who was never sat upon until they were 4+ years old, in a hackamore, barefoot. Nothing else can compete. Nothing else is OK.

Too Simple, indeed.

#104

Really? That’s what I think hu? Cool! Thanks for letting me know! :smiley: :winkgrin: :slight_smile:

#105

Thanks to whoever posted the video. Lovely horse.

That’s not the dreaded ‘passagey trot’. It’s easy to tell the ‘passagey trot’ because the horse gets stuck and cannot do transitions within the gait. They really get stuck. If you have ever seen it you won’t mistake it for anything else. This boy does not have that problem. Lovely…

No doubt he’d be a poor race horse and he may not excel at saddle seat or cattle penning or barrel racing and who knows how he is on the trails - perhaps he’s a prince on the trail- but he appears to be quite fine for the job for which he has been bred and trained .

And peeps, look , the ignore thing works great on the troll so if you guys would stop responding to the crap we ignorers would not have to read it! Help us out here. Trolls love attention . And yes, it’s a troll.

So now the troll will press her alert button. Please note I have named no one. Shoe fit thingy.

#106

Done, oh wise one. Thank you for the reminder.

Back to the regularly scheduled channel. Educate me please.

What breed is this bad boy, anyway?

#107

[QUOTE=slc2;2027921]
i’m afraid yoiu don’t understand.

he isn’t ‘riding the horse in an up-frame’.

that is how the horse goes around naturally. if that horse was loose, he’d go around just like that. that’s just HIM, as one person i worked with used to say.

and to some extent, it is how all horses would go around - balanced and natural - if they didn’t have their heads artificially held down by riders with some strange training ah…‘philosophy’.[/QUOTE]

slc I think I understand just fine. I have a horse that is built very similar to this one. She is also quite talented (though granted not in this horse’s league. Still many trainers and judges have said she has definite potential to be competitive up to Grand Prix.) My horse at 4 is going quite well. She will show 5 year old FEI next season. I do not hold her down with some strange training philosphy. Nor did I carry my reins so short and my hands so high and sit on her at 3.

That is not the horse’s natural carriage. He carries himself much differently and moves much differently for that matter when he is free. Just look at the free video of him. Also towards the end of the video it looks like he is tired in this carriage and wants to stretch down more.

There are people who believe this kind of riding is fine for a 3 year old who is very talented and people who don’t. I just don’t think it is OK. Doesn’t make me a moron.

#108

[QUOTE=hitchinmygetalong;2028052]
Done, oh wise one. Thank you for the reminder.

Back to the regularly scheduled channel. Educate me please.

What breed is this bad boy, anyway?[/QUOTE]
He’s listed as a German Warmblood on allbreed, but both parents are Brandenburgs. :slight_smile:

#109

Are you smoking crack? Even I can tell that is a different horse in the loose video! It says so right in the link that you click. Quaterback is by QuatermanXBrandenburg. The loose videos are all of various other stallions (A Sandro Hit son, A Stedinger son, and a Florencio son)

OF COURSE the horse in the loose video moved differently it is not the same horse!

Jeez! I show Arabians and half-Arabians in SHIH, WP, HP and I team rope and I can see that this 3yo is one to watch.

#110

[QUOTE=Two Simple;2027922]
Exactly kkj!

He is a very lovely animal with gorgeous gaits. But there is absolutely no telling what he will pass on to babies and what he won’t. And this is not a strong indication of what his gaits will develop to be.[/QUOTE]

That is the case with any stallion. There was no telling what your horse would end up like either when his or her breeder put the dam in foal. :lol: :lol: :lol:

#111

Where did you find a conformation shot of him? I would like to see it.

Thank you.

#112

[QUOTE=kkj;2028062]

There are people who believe this kind of riding is fine for a 3 year old who is very talented and people who don’t. I just don’t think it is OK. Doesn’t make me a moron.[/QUOTE]

I think you are right- and if this was my horse I probably wouldn’t do this too often either- but- let’s be honest- this horse is the friggin talk of the dressage world right now- and wouldn’t I like to be the owner that gets all these breeding fees (I wonder how much his fee is??).
Part of this whole game is the MONEY!! My friends- quick news flash- it’s what makes the industry- did anyone read how the Hanoverians are still tops on the dressage winning list…well- if we get this boy out to breed- in 5 to 10 years it might just be the Oldenburgs that are the winning dressage registry- and don’t even remind me of the financial impact that could have…all it takes is one more Weltmeyer- or Olympic Ferro…just look at things from that point of view and it’s easier to understand that they do get ridden at 3.
(inform yourself about the Koerung…that’s another story…)

#113

[QUOTE=kkj;2028062]
slc I think I understand just fine. I have a horse that is built very similar to this one.[/QUOTE]

Is your horse built similarly to Quaterback or one of the young stallions in the other videos? I, too, would love to see the conformation shots you found. I’d love to see Quaterback in particular.

#114

That horse got it all

Madam Cleo, all knowing spiritualist to the cosmos, is quite certain there many, many back bayou trail horses that are not well suited to dressage. Even those of you wit out de sight can find them at any dressage show, mes enfants. If you can’t tell by watching, just ecoutez. Their riders be the ones who shout the loudest “Dressage, it is for every horse.” Bien sur, dressage is for every horse, oui, but trail riding, it is not, I guess.

#115

free video??? I only saw him under saddle???

[QUOTE=kkj;2028062]
slc I think I understand just fine. I have a horse that is built very similar to this one. She is also quite talented (though granted not in this horse’s league. Still many trainers and judges have said she has definite potential to be competitive up to Grand Prix.) My horse at 4 is going quite well. She will show 5 year old FEI next season. I do not hold her down with some strange training philosphy. Nor did I carry my reins so short and my hands so high and sit on her at 3.

That is not the horse’s natural carriage. He carries himself much differently and moves much differently for that matter when he is free. Just look at the free video of him. Also towards the end of the video it looks like he is tired in this carriage and wants to stretch down more.

There are people who believe this kind of riding is fine for a 3 year old who is very talented and people who don’t. I just don’t think it is OK. Doesn’t make me a moron.[/QUOTE]

I thought there are 3 video’s with 3 seperate horses? I only saw one of this guy undersaddle?

With WB stallions —in Europe…many --not all, are started early for the stallion testings-----to go through the 70 day test–get those scores that we talk about for the rest of their lives. Because we breed to these big boys—it kinda keeps promoting itself…(I’m not against it or far it---- I love warmbloods and appriciate what they go through to get approved) I must add they have been doing it for over 100 years…many of these guys last for a very long time and have a beautiful happy life —as said above, they are started…then they get a break----but, they have ways of getting them approved—this is one of them. Bad comes with the good…you know. Unless they change the oldest horse at a 70 testing from what it is now to a much older horse—stallions will be started this way. I DO know from personal experiance, that if a stallion (if presented in hand) looks too immature, they will tell them to bring it back the following year. So, maturity is considered.

I think they know what they are doing… :slight_smile: …they (Europeans) have long been a source of who we look to for education in this sport. ??? :slight_smile: Maybe I’m speaking of my own feelings there…but, I sure see a ton of people at the clinics of certian respected European speaking riders. :slight_smile:

This guy is AMAZING!!! And sure you don’t know what he is going to throw, but through the indexing of his breeding lines----you get an idea. I’m guessing he has a high dressage index----which means he may have a high percentage of throwing his gaits----all in all, he himself is a very fancy boy-----and since he is only 50 % of a resulting foal, I’d be more careful of the mare to use…since sometimes those mares can be pretty strong in what they throw…I’d volunteer for a breeding study–they can use all three of my girls and see what happens.

#116

Well, it might just be hormones (I’m pregnant, therefore volatile) but that video made me cry. My two year old daughter is hanging on my knee saying, “sad horsie movie?” Something about him just makes me choke up!

Gorgeous. I don’t see anything there that makes me doubt that this dressage horse could also do other things well.

#117

this is such a rediculous thread.

Anyone negatively speaking…your just jealous.

The horse probably had a saddle tossed on it a month before hand. The rider was probably bucked off during his quick warm up. The horse is moving all by himself. SLC beat me to the punch. DO YOU SEE HIS HIND END??? At the trot it’s all over the place with circumduction. He’s not schooled. Not one bit.
God made him the way he is. He is naturally uphill. The rider is just bouncing along very quietly with him. Gosh!!!

So what if he gets tired by the end of the ride. He should be tired! Look what he is doing?!!! I think it’s damn nice that he wants to stretch down!

And you know what else. I bet he went back home and was turned out for the winter.

I guess this thread is a great example of why we are Americans…and they are Europeans- The Kings of dressage and breeding.

haha, don’t bash the people and methods that produce the sprems that make good horsies of us to import…

I am now running for cover.

#118

LOVELY horse

As others have said- it’s obvious he doesn’t have much work done with him- he’s not very strong and that was a VERY short period of work- i’m doubting he had much warm up befor it either. You can tell he hasn’t been schooled much by his hind end- look how wise he is behind- he’s still not quite strong enough to do what he wants to do naturally :O)

What a good boy to be so well behaved in that environment. the 3 year old stage is so fun when they look so awesome- are so uphill (unfortunatly tends to come with a ‘ooh god i think i may die if i do anything wrong’ feeling as they are so NOT broke!) God knows i have photos of me on Texas as a 3 year old and his movement is amazing… they loose it a abit as they get more connected and through- but it comes back once the collection comes into play!

Great boy- can’t wait to see how he goes in a couple of years

#119

Equinetech I wish I had a good excuse like smoking crack, but no. I don’t have my contacts in and only watched the beginning of the first link. You’re right even a non horse person could tell it is not the same horse. One is bay, one is chestnut, different markings etc etc.

Still I hold that Quarterback will not carry himself the same way free that he is in that video.

I too think he is the most amazing 3 year old right now.

Sabine I totally agree with you. $$ is a big motivator as are people’s dreams of having the next Weltmeyer or whoever. It would be very hard to have a horse like that and resist the temptation to push him a bit, especially because he is so willing and everything looks so easy for him. Well I hope he makes it, because he is truly a joy to watch.

#120

You’re right.

There are people who believe this kind of riding is fine for a 3 year old who is very talented and people who don’t. I just don’t think it is OK. Doesn’t make me a moron.

Again, I agree. You’re NOT a moron. I would never allow my 3 year old to be ridden like this either - regardless of talent, breeding, or future career possibilities.

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