Is Maclain Ward from the MA Ward family?

Obviously it’s small world with few of the names changing at the very height of the sport.

Look at this flashback article from Nov 1, 1996 - almost 12 years ago:

It was Ward v. Millar then too :slight_smile:

Last week McLain Ward built himself a miniature Puissance wall at the family’s farm in Brewster, N.Y., and aimed his prodigy mount, Derry 5, in its direction. Derry 5 had not contended with a Puissance-style wall, but he cleared it at 6-6 and Ward let the lesson end there.

Ward loves the event.

‘‘It’s an art in itself,’’ he said, ‘‘and a good Puissance horse lives for the roar of the crowd. But you’ve got to have an incredibly brave horse because when that wall gets up to a certain height, it looks like the side of a building, it’s almost unreal.’’

That only five horses were entered in last night’s Puissance came as no surprise to Canada’s Ian Millar, who won it in 1995 with a 7-foot jump on his rookie mount, Play It Again. Millar and Play It Again won or tied all three Puissance events they attempted in 1995, but this year the rider is saving the horse for more important Grandprix classes.

‘‘Sadly, it’s become a bit of a dinosaur of a competition,’’ Millar said. ‘‘By its very nature, the Puissance, for most of the horses who try it, shows them what they can’t jump, so it doesn’t work wonders for their confidence. But I’ll be the first to admit it’s a real thrill to jump over something you can’t see over.’’

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Just like Mclain, Eric ( Lamazing!) served his suspensions according to the national body and its rules and came back to prove he can do this sport clean of drugs, and good for him.
Do the crime, do the time, as they say, and both men have paid the price. And moved on to heights most of us can only watch from the sidelines.

That was one of the most exciting Olympic team jumping I’ve watched since 1968 and every horse and rider in that jump off is awesome. No matter what you think of the riders personally, you have to admire their great skill and heart when they’re up to their eyeballs in their sport.

That being said, I know ( and probably you do too) of riders and horses who are equally awesome but who will never have the money it takes to begin to qualify. I wish the Olympics was not so elitist. Both our countries would do better fully funding promising athletes than all the money they spend on frivolous things like “peacekeeping”, or as its more euphemistically called in the US, “National defence” ( when we both really mean war).[/QUOTE]

To my knowledge, McLain was NEVER accused of violating an FEI drug prohibition. You people throw around violations off the cuff without even thinking how damaging it can be to insinuate such things.

Regarding the sport being financially inaccessible – people who don’t have trust funds could take a cue from McLain, who worked his butt off and made it happen. He did not sit around saying woe is me when he had to make it on his own at age 18. If someone is really talented, they can make it happen if they are willing to work for it. Too many people think the world should be handed to them on a silver platter. I see plenty of that among young talented riders and it is incredibly annoying.

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Unfortunatly, yes, people will be looking at him a bit cockeyed for a long time to come. He does seem to bear it well.[/QUOTE]

I for one hope people always look at him cockeyed. He is a great rider but I still don’t want him riding for my country. I don’t trust him one iota and I think he is a bad representative for the US no matter how many clear rounds he can put in. The only reason I feel he will behave himself is he is scared of getting caught again.

And to this stuff about his father, it does greatly reflect on his integrity and human qualities. McClain calls Barney his coach. He still does. Just because daddy can’t be there to cheer him on in person at the Olympics does not mean he is not training him. If my dad were a convicted wife beater do you think I would ask his advice on how to get along with my spouse? If I were a truly good horsepeson, I would distance myself from the horse murder even if he were my blood relative. I would not give him credit on national TV as I have seen McClain do.

Also, we need to keep rehashing this stuff because a lot of people do not know about it and some people have really short memories. (I myself could not remember the event rider who was riding Le Samuri)

I am glad we won the gold. I loved it when Laura Kraut said something to the effect of “Oh my God, we won a gold medal.” McClain just walked along being his snide little self.

Actually, if I remember correctly Yankee Lawyer, McClain was charged with drug violations at or about the same time as the studded boot incident.

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“Great evening entertainment” reading threads that asassinate
someone’s character, real or imagined. I don’t think it is appropriate or mature.[/QUOTE]

But you’re reading it too, aren’t you??? If it’s that offensive to you, then don’t read the posts!

I’m not a McLain fan, but I have to acknowledge that Sapphire is one of my favorite horses ever. And anyone who can keep a horse like her happy and confident and at the top of her game for two Olympics and every year in between is doing right by that horse.

My goodness that is a post full of vitriol! But as far as the last part about Mclain walking along being his snide self that is NOT what I saw. I saw a person so overcome with emotion he was on the verge of tears.

My god people, the guy just rode his heart out after years of work, preparation and dedication to play a pivotal role in winning a gold medal for his country and all people can do is trash him for anything and everything.

OK I think I remember around 2000, the AHSA had a banned substance Cocaine (getting a horse high) charge against McClain but the suspension period was tacked onto his FEI ban so he would be ban-free in time for the Olympics. How nice of them.

I may have totally misread him yesterday. He may have been totally grateful and humble. Whenever I see him I think he is a snide little devil. The way he is talked up by every TV commentator for all of the horse crazy naive kids to aspire to be like, it makes me sick. Laura Kraut on the other hand was so outwardly enthusiastic and excited. That was very refreshing.

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McClain just walked along being his snide little self.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever even been in the same room as this person? Because I have known him since he was a tiny kid on ponies and you have no idea what you are talking about.

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OK I think I remember around 2000, the AHSA had a banned substance Cocaine (getting a horse high) charge against McClain but the suspension period was tacked onto his FEI ban so he would be ban-free in time for the Olympics. How nice of them.

I may have totally misread him yesterday. He may have been totally grateful and humble. Whenever I see him I think he is a snide little devil. The way he is talked up by every TV commentator for all of the horse crazy naive kids to aspire to be like, it makes me sick. Laura Kraut on the other hand was so outwardly enthusiastic and excited. That was very refreshing.[/QUOTE]

Wow. The Olympiads should be sure to check in with you before they dare mount the podium, to make sure their “reactions” meet your image of how one should be suitably moved.

I don’t believe that was McLain. Do you have a link to a report on that or a listed violation?

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Simply amazing. The man (McLain) rode three near-flawless rounds over Olympic courses that claimed many, many point casualties (just loved the refusals by not one, but two German riders this morning) then rode a gorgeous clear round in a high-pressure jump off and you vultures can’t wait to come out start throwing crap on his achievements! :mad:

If you want to condemn every child for a parents’ misdeeds you might as well resign yourself to creating a very long list of unfortunate offspring. His father’s crimes do not deserve to be mentioned on the same day McLain rode his boots off for the country.

McLain was the superstar of our team’s Olympic competition and he did so with grace and style. Without him, we would not have won gold. I am incredibly proud he’s on our side!! :)[/QUOTE]

Thank you Tiramit for this post, I agree 1000% and I thought after 4 pages of crap it needed to be repeated. I too am incredibly proud of our team and McLAin

Why care that a few people discuss the history of the Ward’s? What happened- happened- and you can’t change it. If you want to sweep it into history long forgotten- go ahead but it doesn’t make is not happen.

MW won gold w/ the team- excellent news- and the whole round was exciting to watch by the way even knowing the results. He is a fabulous rider however he is still not without controversy. Many riders are not without controversy. I personally enjoyed the contributions of EACH of the team taking that not more was any less or more important than the other.

And you’re right- he is not his father. But as is human nature, some will have lingering thoughts on how far did the apple fall from the tree. Hopefully it was very far…

I haven’t read the entire thread so this may have already been mentioned but back in the days when Barney was at Shannon Stable there was a horse showing in the open jumper divisions by the name of McLain Street (he was shown by either Johnny Bell or Sonny Brooks, can’t remember which). And I think the horse was named after a street in the Bedford/Mt. Kisco/Brewster area. I always wondered if that is where Barney and his wife got the name McLain for their son.

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And you’re right- he is not his father. But as is human nature, some will have lingering thoughts on how far did the apple fall from the tree. Hopefully it was very far…[/QUOTE]

That kind of comment speaks for itself. Perhaps we should resurrect the Salem witch trials?

I read the whole thread and thought at first it was just sniping, and unnecessary, unkind. Then I started following some of the links to sources like the New York Times archives. I never knew about these showjumping atrocities in the 1980’s and 1990’s. And the owners were doing it to their own horses, according to what I just read. This makes me so sick.

I thought stories like that were just part of horse crime novels. I remember there was a terrible horse crime scene in Illinois in the 80’s, but this? Considering how the choice of teammates involves politics as well as talent, I would think the hideous backstory of the father (does McClain really claim him as his coach?) would make the son an undesirable member of the team, regardless of talent. What the father went to jail for is about as bad as it gets in the world of horses.

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I don’t believe that was McLain. Do you have a link to a report on that or a listed violation?[/QUOTE]

It’s true. He was fined 13K by the governing bodies back in 99 though the amount of cocaine found was (according to him) incredibly small. Unfortunately, there’s no documents available concerning the lab results but it is not uncommon for labs to get questionable results from samples that test positive with very small amounts of banned substances. It can be due to anything from poor sample collection to lab contamination. Drug testing is as much an art as it is an exact science.

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It’s true. He was fined 13K by the governing bodies back in 99 though the amount of cocaine found was (according to him) incredibly small. Unfortunately, there’s no documents available concerning the lab results but it is not uncommon for labs to get questionable results from samples that test positive with very small amounts of banned substances. It can be due to anything from poor sample collection to lab contamination. Drug testing is as much an art as it is an exact science.[/QUOTE]

Thank you, Lex. I am familiar with lab contamination; anyone who is not should read the book about the Duke rape case. I do know that there were some instances of positive cocaine results that were attributed to feed contamination – e.g., drug-using or dealing groom / handler failed to wash hands before feeding, and it was thought that residue transferred from the hands to the feed. I don’t know if that was McLain’s case.

Regarding the boot incident – to the person who claimed to have seen it on TV, I HIGHLY doubt that as MW was flagged during a bandage/boot control inspection that took place while the horse was cooling out, and these are not televised typically. Note that the inspectors claim they saw a couple of pieces of plastic fall from ONE boot and were not able to prove it. McLain denied it and took and passed a polygraph, as did his groom.

So should we expect this same “apples doesn’t fall too far …” chatter if one of the Jayne kids was on the US Olympic squads in the future? How disappointing.

I recall when McLain posted on this BB in defense of himself and his family name years ago now. I’m one of the few who has been here since the beginning. So I guess I’ve seen about all the anti-McLain diatribes over the years.

Don’t like him? So be it. Think he shouldn’t represent the US? So be it. Kobe has been an Olympian, accused rapist, and guilty of infidelity with his wife. Yet the masses have never demanded the removal of him from representing the US.

LOL, no, they don’t televise the boot whatever thing, but they had him pulled so fast made your head spin. Oh and I was looking forward to see him.

Glad you like the guy. I don’t and therefor I have to judge by what I see - you know, the company you keep, etc.