Is there no need for 4WD on a dually

I wouldn’t buy one without 4WD. When I was shopping last year I only looked at dual cab, 4WD options because if I was buying a vehicle for practicality purposes (towing, a tub for throwing all sorts of crap etc), then I wanted it to be as versatile as possible. Dual cab was necessary as without a boot, I wanted the extra row to have somewhere to throw things I didn’t want in the tub, especially if I had a passenger.

Your bigger trucks over there might be different, but the one I bought here is 2WD by default with the option of 4WD and then a low range option too. With nothing in the tub, it’s light over the back wheels and it’s a rear wheel drive, so on wet grass and even wet road it can struggle for grip. Would hate to get caught somewhere without the 4WD options.

As an anecdote, it used to be common here for people to tow with RWD sedans (all in legal limits blah blah) and one particularly wet show, every single one of those got stuck. We sailed right on out with our Forester thanks to the AWD.

We live in Ontario, so get lots of snow and mud. Our 3500 dually has 4 x4 and would never consider not getting it. We have been stuck at a horse show a few times even with the 4 x 4 when trying to hook up our trailer in the mud. Kept slipping and sliding everywhere, but our trailer is a beast as well.

A dually is like night and day when towing a large trailer. We used to have a single axel truck to tow our trailer but was all over the road. The dually was WAY better to tow with. Stuck to the road, less pushing. Much better. Now the Freightliner is amazing. It has no more horse power than our 3500, but had much bigger breaks and is way beefier. An amazing towing machine.

We also have a Freightliner and believe it or not, they are almost impossible to find with 4 x 4. We are VERY careful on where we park at showgrounds. We make sure its on level ground, if it has to be on grass, since it can get slick if it rains. We prefer to point it towards a gravel driveway or on gravel if possible. But it can be done without 4 x 4. But if we had the choice, 4 x 4 for sure!!

*ADD: the Freightliner is parked for the winter. It has never been driven in the snow/salt - I would think it would not be good. Plus its almost impossible to start once it goes below freezing temps. The dually is a daily driver and is out and about in the snow all the time. We rarely use the dually anymore for towing horse trailers. It just tows work/job site trailers now.

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I think it is very subjective. I have a 1-ton dually and do not have 4WD. I have never gotten stuck, and hauled a 5 horse with dressing room all over California. I think there was only 1 time that I thought I might need it, but didn’t.

Now, that same truck is here is NC. It does great in the limited snow we get here, and I haven’t had a problem in a wet-grass field yet. Since 4wd does nothing really in ice, I feel pretty confident that this truck will last me for years to come.

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It depends on how you want to use it. I’ve got a friend who I used to horse camp with who has a 5 horse LQ trailer. When fully loaded (water/supplies/horses) that trailer is HEAVY and has a lot of pin weight.

Her budget meant looking for an older truck, and got a good deal on an older Ford 1 ton dually without 4WD. She decided that for how she was going to use it it didn’t warrant spending the extra money for a 4WD plus fewer parts on the truck to have issues with.

We’re in MN, but she only takes the truck/trailer out in the summer. And for the most part there’s no driving on grass at campgrounds since they have parking pads for rigs.

She’s had no issues with it, but she’s pretty much only driving under ideal conditions. If she was going to horse shows and having to park in a grass pasture that would be a different situation!

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Well where I live we have winter 7-8 months of the year. I have a 4wd dually. I can be stuck on ice, pop it in 4wd and away I go. I have studs and 4wd. It makes a tremendous difference when you need it.

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Am I the only one who loves the trucks on Yelowstone as much as the fine men I mean horses?

Our 2wd dually will get stuck if you throw your soda out under the tires.

My friend’s 4wd dually doesn’t get stuck on wet grass but it will get instantly stuck in mud and snow where my 4x4 non dually gets down and gets through.

So I feel like 4x4 in a dually is necessary but isn’t going to be nearly as useful on a non dually.

I only use my 4X4 6 times a year? But it’s better than 6 tow company bills.

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We had a 2WD dually for 20 years. We called it “a road truck” because that is where we drove it. No jaunts thru fields unless it carried a heavy load, like fence posts. If the load could squat the truck a bit, the tires would bite into the dirt. Not so much terrible mud, but it did not get stuck on wet grass with a load. I took it to trail ride camps, but they have good surface for the LQ trailers, so no issues there.

You survey your ground before driving onto it. Some surfaces are not going to work for you, so DO NOT go there! Even if someone laughs at you! As mentioned, the dual wheels will float on surfaces, not always dig in like a single axle vehicle to go forward.

Duals are marvelous at hauling trailers, no sway when air backwash or crosswinds in the mountains can hit you. I believe the horses get a real good ride between the truck axle and the trailer axles, like a hammock, suspended. Lots less road wear and tear fatigue on horses at the destination.

Our truck was a “buy of the decade” find. Great price, we loved using it for 20 years plus. Lots of happy miles going to fun places in it. We just kept in mind the shortcomings and did not put the truck in those situations. We put it away for most of winter, not good on snow or ice. The worst “almost got stuck” place was at a Pony Club workout. New trainer barn. She had just had MANY truckloads of limestone spread on driveway and large trailer parking area. Then the stone got rained on. One of those “it looked fine!” But as I drove onto it I could feel truck slowing. I down shifted and gave it the pedal to make a circle back to firm ground. Thank goodness the horse was still inside the trailer because her weight gave us extra grip on the wet, not-yet-settled or packed stone. It was a “do or die there” because trainer did not have a real tractor if I got stuck! Small son was impressed, said we were like Smokey and the Bandit, spewing stones on the circle!! I DID get back to firm dirt, left sme big tracks in her new stone area. Did manage to stop the other moms before they drove on it. I think we only had slipping issues a couple times during ownership, but got out. I do not remember ever needing to be towed, could be wrong. That truck was a 1989, 7.3L diesel, so it was a while ago.

Being kind of cheap, I probably would have passed on it if it had 4WD. Extra cost of fuel with lower mileage, extra maintenance cost of the second transmission and needing to run truck in 4WD monthly, to keep things working properly. My friend had a similar 4WD truck to do this with.

Never had 4WD anything until we got the Kubota tractor. Really helpful on that! We just learned as kids to drive in bad conditions without 4WD. You could always shovel the box full of snow, 2WD truck would walk itself out of 95% of most situations! We passed a LOT of 4WD trucks in the median after they flew by us on bad roads. They had to get towed, way too stuck to have 4WD get them out.

I would have another 2WD dually in a heartbeat! It was a great truck for us!

I found out a few days ago that apparently the towing capacity in a 2WD is slightly higher than the same truck with 4 WD. So I guess if you are sure you will never need it, it may make sense to get it. I’m thinking maybe people who use it to haul their boats around since I have never seen an unpaved boat ramp.

If you take the difference between the two tow ratings, you’ll get what 4WD weighs. :wink: The trucks are the same same otherwise, just the 2WD is missing some parts.

And I’d never back a boat down an algae covered wet ramp in 2wd. Maybe to drop the boat off, but pulling it up could be a chore!

Interesting. Does the 4WD component weigh 300 pounds? I assumed it was less weight, but I guess I could see it being that.

And maybe that day they end up with 2 boats :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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My 3h with 10’ LQ is parked in a big implement shed. The approach to backing it in is a fairly short, but kinda steep, ascent on gravel. At an angle, avoiding a tree :wink: you go slow or you smash something. I need 4WD to put it away on a clear day with blue skies :crazy_face:

I have used 4wd to get that same trailer moving on a wet grass field. Slow and steady and off we went. I would not personally be without it.

It’s an extra driveshaft and transfer case, plus bolt and brackets and maybe a skid plate so yes, 300 sounds fair.

I wonder if those two extra tires would help the dually float better :thinking: :wink:

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Well, I bet at least one person has found out the hard way if they float! :rofl:

our four wheel drive truck also has a 8000 pound winch which we have used more so to get others out of a mess than our us.

But we have used the four wheel drive to pick up horses between blizzards

There are better products out there for many tasks, although WD-40 is fine for many things. The WD means “water dispersal” and it supposedly is the 40th iteration by the inventor. It attracts dirt and sometimes that makes a difference. It can free up a rusty screw but doesn’t lubricate nuts and bolts or a door hinge if they to remain functional. I worked in a marine store for several years when I was still a yachtie. I can’t recall if we had WD-40 - you can get it anywhere cheap. We had some good alternatives that were worth the money especially around saltwater.

Does everyone know that you should never ever toss a tiny red tube when you tidy up? It could be from the WD-40 can. That’s why so many people own so many cans of it - they lost the little tube for the sprayer. Also, depending where you live, there is a limitation on how much time you look for a can. That’s why so many people own so many cans of it - they can’t remember where they last used it. If you don’t find it within 10 minutes, for example, it’s easier to hit the hardware store.

I was in the hardware store one day, a nice local store, and a woman walks in with a can and says she needs another one. No one could understand why she needed another one if she had one in her hand. I wisecracked that it must be #6 that needs replacement because she lost the tiny red tube. She said no, it was her only can and it was empty. She must have had it for a couple of decades. I thought it was against the law to use up an entire can. What do you do with the empty can? How can the company make any money if everyone needs one can per lifetime?

Yeah - I have a 2WD dually that we got a killer deal on, which is the only reason I was even willing to entertain the notion.

I didn’t expect nearly the issues that I’ve already faced - trying to back a bumper pull trailer up a uphill gravel driveway was a lot of spinning and eventually a dead stop with nothing but spinning. SO’s insanely large race car trailer that has to get backed up over grass to get parked - there is definite consideration about the ground conditions before attempting to park it.

I’e not used it to put the boat in the water yet - frankly after some of these stories, not looking forward to it…

It hauls like a dream on paved roads - small trailers, large fifth wheel trailers, boat trailers - I barely know they are back there, but off-road, not so much.

I’ll never get a dually without 4WD again.

You read too fast. This is about four wheel drive dually trucks! My eyes play tricks on me like that. I go back to the written topic, which NOW says something completely different!

Thanks for the WD-40 information though. I learned from your post!! Ha ha

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