Is this a Knabstrupper?

[DancingAppy]

Sandy M- I wasn’t saying that this mare has Noriker blood, I was saying that other breeds, like the Noriker, carry the Leopard Complex gene.

61 Bee Bee
9802220
F: 9207758–Come Back Ii --157338 M:
8203290–Henriette Thorhauge–110997 MF:
7201088–Rasmus Af Damgård–102350

Rasmus Af Damgard is a very well known and popular line of Knabstruppers. A lot of sires carry this line, just look at the studs in both the KNN, British, and American Registries.

So this mare is a Knabstrupper. Her warmblood parentage is approved for Knab breeding so in default, she’s a Knabstrupper.

As for Knabstrupper being Baroque, that is true to a degree. The KNN is divided into four books: Baroque, Sport Horse, Pony and Miniature. The Baroque books tend to be the more “foundation” lines, tending to look like Lipizzaners. The Sport Horse book has horses with a lot of warmblood outcrossing, like our mare here. So I would say she’s included in the Sport Horse book if she is registered.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=vxf111;3211965]
You guys got me curious, here’s a sale ad for that horse…

http://www.danishqualityhorses.com/danishwarmbloodmarebeebee.html

They refer to her as having a ‘snow blanket’ which I don’t think is how you would characterize an actual white spot, like a tovero spot. I’ve never heard a true pinto mark referred to as a blanket (then again, I don’t know if there’s a transation/lexicon issue at play).[/QUOTE]

If she has no spots on that blanket, in Appies it’s referred to as a “snow cap” pattern - which makes it all the more interesting, since that pattern is often homozygous - which would be unusual (impossible? geneticists, please check in!) on a horse that is an outcross.

Dancing Appy - didn’t express myself well, I guess, just meant that of all the things she MIGHT be (at that point not knowing the pedigree), I thought any Noriker was unlikely, not that you had said she was part Noriker.

[Roan]

[QUOTE=DancingAppy;3211999]
. . .
As for Knabstrupper being Baroque, that is true to a degree. The KNN is divided into four books: Baroque, Sport Horse, Pony and Miniature. The Baroque books tend to be the more “foundation” lines, tending to look like Lipizzaners. The Sport Horse book has horses with a lot of warmblood outcrossing, like our mare here. So I would say she’s included in the Sport Horse book if she is registered.[/QUOTE]Is that Knab in the pedigree a few generations out? I’m not sure how to read it –

As for different sections, I wasn’t aware they had that in the registry. Interesting.

Eileen

[Sonesta]

You can read more about this wonderful breed at www.knabstruppers.com

[Moll]

If she has no spots on that blanket, in Appies it’s referred to as a “snow cap” pattern - which makes it all the more interesting, since that pattern is often homozygous - which would be unusual (impossible? geneticists, please check in!) on a horse that is an outcross.

Impossible, since Come Back II doesn’t have the spotted gene.

[belambi]

Its very simply a blanketed sportshorse bred with some knab lines… it is a seriously nice horse indeed!
It is not a snowcap. The blanket must go a lot farther forward to be considered a true snowcap…

remember also that there are spotted polish warmbloods… (as in app spotted)

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=Moll;3212293]
Impossible, since Come Back II doesn’t have the spotted gene.[/QUOTE]

That’s what I thought.

I have seen horses with unspotted blankets that did not reach the withers referred to as “snowcap.” Must be a fine line about juuuust how far forward the white has to go…

[Sonesta]

Correct, with one non-spotted parent, it is genetically impossible for the horse to be a true homozygous snow cap. Even with two spotted parents, it is often difficult to tell a true snowcap from just a blanket that doesn’t show any spotting inside it. They are working on a genetic testing for homozygosity in the LP gene, but it is not possible yet to tell for sure.

[system]

Hey Sonesta, do you think you could breed one of those for me?

[Sonesta]

Well, we breed them all the time. Here are pics of two of our boys from 2004 - NEITHER OF THEM ARE FOR SALE!

http://www.maneevents.com/macarn/images/confettitrotsmall.jpg

http://www.maneevents.com/macarn/images/axxioncantersmall.jpg

[atr]

Lovely, Sonesta…

I have a loud black and white leopard appy, Scripter lines, 100% foundation. Folks come up to me all the time and ask me what he is

[hessy35]

[QUOTE=Sonesta;3213725]
Well, we breed them all the time. Here are pics of two of our boys from 2004 - NEITHER OF THEM ARE FOR SALE!

http://www.maneevents.com/macarn/images/confettitrotsmall.jpg

http://www.maneevents.com/macarn/images/axxioncantersmall.jpg[/QUOTE]

Are those stallions??

[Sonesta]

They WERE stallions, but they have now been gelded. There are enough Knabstrupper stallions available in the U.S. by fresh or frozen, so they didn’t need to keep their jewels.

[Sonesta]

Here are a couple of the girls born recently.

http://www.sonestafarms.com/images/knabs/TZ-side.jpg

http://www.sonestafarms.com/images/knabs/babypiaffe.jpg

[Ambrey]

Sonesta, when I win the lottery I’ma call you up

A friend just sent me this video:

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=90CEwvZQVYw

Is that a baroque type Knabstrupper? If so, I need to go buy my lottery tickets.

[Sonesta]

Yes, that video is of a Baroque type. To see sporthorse type go to

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-AMwTUJ8E

This stallion, Apollon, was the foundation of our breeding program.

[hessy35]

[QUOTE=Sonesta;3213963]
Yes, that video is of a Baroque type. To see sporthorse type go to

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-AMwTUJ8E

This stallion, Apollon, was the foundation of our breeding program.[/QUOTE]

Your gelding is the exact picture of Apollon… that is his sire, right?

[Sonesta]

Yes, that is the sire of both of the geldings and the grand sire of both of the fillies.

[Sandy_M]

I have that video, and while I’d have to check it again, I believe he says on it that that leopard horse is blind.

[Kathy_Johnson]

Gee, I never saw a single spot. In fact, I never made it past the seat on the Danish lad. That guy can ride