Issues with boarding

Most of the things you are (quite rightly!) pointing out could be learned on your first visit (or two or three). When ‘vetting’ a potential boarding barn, you need to open your eyes and close your ears. Many BO’s have the best of intentions with improvements or plans - but as the saying goes, the best laid plans o’ mice and men often go awry.

You can be hopeful, but do not bank on any future plans or improvements, or “in the spring” or “when the mud dries” plans a BO might say as you do your walk through. If barn doesn’t meet your standards at the moment you see it, pass.

Pay special attention to how the horses look. If they’re happy, content, in good health and sound. That is the most important and easiest to see.

I once boarded at a barn that was GLEAMING and beautiful, ultra high-end accommodations for borders, but the horses were miserable and so were mine in a few months.

I once boarded at a barn that DREADFUL looking, but the horses sound, happy, shiny. My horses thrived.

3x per day haying is not the norm, hay is an expensive commodity and all too easily wasted. A lot of care has to go into managing frequent haying and not all barns are equipped for that. But the horses’ condition should tell you if the hay supply is sufficient.

Your want list is very reasonable, if you’re having a hard time finding a barn that offers the basics, re-evaluate how you evaluate potentials.

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Yes, that is industry standard everywhere I’ve ever lived. And it’s all I do for my horses at home, too, since I work full time and can’t run home in the middle of the day to toss more hay. If you provide ample enough hay at each feeding to last until the next, the horses shouldn’t need a third feeding, anyway.

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Where I live, $500 would get me the bare minimum of what I want in terms of care (and would be lacking in terms of facility, or vice versa). Most places worth their salt around here are closer to the $1000 range. I currently pay $650+ a month, and while no boarding situation is “perfect” compared to what I could do on my own property if I had plenty of money and no day job, I’m pretty darn happy with where we are. I just keep praying they don’t have to raise board. :slight_smile:

As it is, I still pay extra on top of the base boarding fee for additional hay, additional/different feed, & deworming.

Hay 2x/day is standard for most barns I’ve ever known. My current place throws hay 4x a day, though, which pleases me greatly. :yes: Even then, it’s not as much forage as I want him to get.

If you want to give us an idea of your location, maybe someone could make some recommendations. Regardless, I hope you find a situation that makes you and your horse happier!

OP, can you share at least a rough idea of your budget? And location? You might have unrealistic expectations in your price range.

Im on the east side of the Midwest so a bit under either coast and what you describe is in the 650-800 range around here. Twice a day hay. Three times a day hay tends to be found in fully staffed barns, as does more generous amounts of shavings, around 1k-1200 Usd. Lower priced barns just cannot afford these things. Have you tried to price out actual costs for these things then added rent or mortgage, utilities, repairs insurance etc. Many barns really don’t price board to cover their operating costs and depend on other sources ( lessons,sales etc) to make ends meet. Understanding costs inyour area can help you make better choices in barns and know what you might have to compromise to stay in your price range.

My own compromises have been just learning to deal with unpleasant personalities in those running barns lacking people skills, long as they have the horse management skills. And not being put off by a shabby appearance long as it’s in good repair. Don’t need to be coddled, need horse to be taken care of properly.

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I wish I had a suggestion, but there isn’t much to say that hasn’t already been covered. Truly good boarding is a tough problem in so many areas. You may have to expand your geographic range considerably to find good grass-pasture turnout, where the horses can be out all or most of the day, and all of the rest of it, in one facility. In my experience those places tend to be located farther from the population centers (which is a problem for horse ownership today).

Other than that, all I can say is that you are confirming that I’m making the right decision to stick with my 40-mile drive to where my horse lives, passing many other unsatisfactory boarding options along the way.

Some of the other board barns would be only 15 minutes from my house, and I could theoretically visit every day. But they are just not the kind of places that I want a horse of mine to live. For all the reasons that you mention and more. And the capper is that the BO/BM’s are mostly just collecting board money and pay little to no attention to the horses. Nor would most of them know what a colic or a sudden lameness looks like.

I’ve been at my current horse-paradise boarding place for 4 years, and most of that time have been telling myself that I really need to move my horse closer to me. But when I look at the options, I know he is so much better off where he is. Every time I self-debate this, I decide the trade-off is worth my considerable sacrifice in time, mileage and gas money. (I reach the same conclusion about twice a week, every week for the last 4 years :slight_smile: ).

This is how I found my current excellent board facility: After doing a deep dive on every known boarding option, I ran an ISO ad on Craigslist. I don’t have the full text now. But it was an outline of what I wanted with an insistence of good grass pasture with minimum turnout of 8 hours daily, 24 hours even better, with access to a stall in inclement weather. Grass, not dirt. I gave just a little information about myself and my horse. My current board place contacted me with the note “you sound like the kind of boarder we prefer”. They take only a few boarders, and have stalls, but want owners who prefer to have their horses out on their abundant pasture. The timing just happened to work out that we found each other.

Keep searching, even as you are coping with what’s available. You never know when that special place just turns up out of the blue. A new facility opens, or someone you know through a friend decides to take a few boarders - keep the word out so that it can find you.

Good luck!

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I have no idea where you are located, but in my part of the world, board at a decent facility with good care, quality feed and turnout, plus an arena will run you north of $1500 a month. And I am about 45 minutes outside the city, without traffic.

Of course, prices vary wildly by geography; I have no idea what is considered normal in your area. But my guess is you likely need to pay more than you are currently spending based on your description of the issues you have found in the last several places. If you care to share your general location, there are likely posters who can offer suggestions.

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Without location it’s hard to say. $500 is mid-range here, in some places $500 wouldn’t get field board at a nice farm. My barn checks most of your boxes but it’s over $500. You can find private farms or pasture board in my area for under $500, and some are very nice, but checking all your boxes might not happen. Where I used to live, it was double the rates here, at least, to get the same amenities.

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I think a lost of the problems arise because in most places anyone can hang a sign and start boarding without any clue of basic husbandry or horsemanship. Fancy does not always mean great care any more than all “rustic” boarding is bad.

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No such thing in our area. Turn out consists of letting him out in the arena for the time I am there. If you want turn out you would need to send your horses a couple hours away or even out of state. Unless of course you own your own property which is ridiculously expensive in my location.

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We have always fed twice a day. Exceptions are if a horse is in training and working hard or a pregnant mare. The key is what it takes to maintain proper weight on your horse. Some just require more calories. And, if they’re turned out with other horses - sometimes those other horses eat more of the group feed. You have to watch for that too.

What’s your position on minimum wages? Are you of the camp that says all jobs should pay a living wage and that wage should be at least $15/hr. plus benefits? This is a very relevant question given your minimum demands.

The care that you’re asking for is really a premium level and if you’re not willing pay a premium price ($1000-$1200/mo.) then go look in a mirror and be outraged at the face staring back at you!!! :slight_smile: And if you also want $15/hr. for the help bump the numbers, above, up by 15% or so.

G.

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Small BO here and while I sympathize with the OP, I know how hard it would be to have all of those boxes checked, financially and labor wise. While I like to pride myself on the care and attention I pay to my boarders’ horses, I know that my barn has shortcomings that prospective boarders would definitely not like (such as mud). So my advice is to look for a place where a horse’s needs are met (food/water/turnout/care) and then second, see what you can live with (no indoor, less cleanliness, etc.).

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In our area, G hit the nail on the head.

My personal horses live at home. But I’m a trainer/instructor and need a large facility. I’ve been to a few in my area, and there is no perfect facility. I’ve been at my current facility for 5 years.

LABOR is the LARGEST contributor to facility unhappiness. The BO at my facility grows his own mediocre hay, but there is a lot of it, and the horses are kept eating even fed 2x/day. We are allowed to grab extra. But a third feeding would require labor. And this facility, as well as the others I’ve worked at, has trouble keeping good workers. It’s expensive and labor intensive and in all weather. Our paddocks are cleaned daily but pastures not at all. We turn out our own (again, LABOR) and barter for others to turn ours out when we are not around. Turnouts are small unless we are lucky enough that one of the arenas is empty. Waters are often not as clean as I would like and I do a lot of the barn chores voluntarily, because the few workers we have are swamped. I sweep, water the indoor, clean buckets, muck, etc just to help the facility be as nice as I would like it.

Boarding is compromise. Boarding is pitching in. Boarding is being a team player. Because chances are, if you find the place that comes the closest to what you want and is within a reasonable distance from work/home, it’s going to have some shortcomings.

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I was at a place that met all of your requirements including hay 3 times a day; it was north of $1000/month.

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My horse gets brought in once a day for feed/medicine and inspection. He gets unlimited quality hay or grazing depending on the season. If the weather is bad, he has a stall but this is unusual. He lives happily in a herd of about 30 on 300 acres adjacent to thousands of acres of National Forest. There is an enormous indoor arena and also an outdoor. The owners live on site and are excellent horse people.

I was whining about how it was 23 miles away. You all have made me feel much better. $295/month.

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I am the BO of a small boarding facility. As with all boarding facilities, I do not turn a profit off boarding as far as a true business profit is concerned (i.e. paying bills, paying employees aka myself, then having money left over). I have a couple of boarded horses for a little extra pocket money, to have more horses on my farm to eat the grass so I don’t have to mow as much, and to prevent me from getting a billion horses of my own. After barn-related bills are paid, with the boarders I currently have on my farm, I earn the equivalent of ~$5/hour for the work I do feeding, cleaning stalls, and maintaining the facility.

It sounds like your budget of $500 per month is not enough for your area for what you are looking for. Where I lived in Ohio, $500 would get you a pretty decent place, where you’d get an indoor arena and outdoor arena, four-board fencing, and hay 4-5 times per day. But you would not get more than 4 hours of turnout per day, if they put them out at all, and it would likely be in small lots, or better yet, in the indoor arena from 4-7pm, you know, when working adults can get to the barn to ride.

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You have bagged a winner! :slight_smile: In my estimation, anyway.

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Currently, I lease pasture from a local guy, and have my horses on self-care. I feed them, do the watering/blanketing/etc, and they live out. The owner of the land maintains the fence (vinyl so fairly sturdy) and is kind enough to mow/drag for me about once a week. It’s a great arrangement for me but I can tell you that even doing this, I still pay close to $500/mo for the first horse, and that’s just pasture, hay, and grain (but I live in Florida so hay is crazy expensive, and I don’t feed coastal). The owner allows me to maintain a grass ring on the property and brought my own jumps- no riding facilities provided. I hack to a neighbor’s for conditioning and lessons.

When I lived in Massachusetts, I was at a place that ticked all your boxes, except perhaps turnout (horses came in between 2 and 3, so slightly less than 8 hours, and stayed in for bad weather). It cost north of $1200/mo. Sand turnout, no grass. It cost more than my rent but it was the only place that had the riding facilities I needed and feeding practices that satisfied me. I could have gotten under $1000/mo elsewhere, but I probably would have had to sacrifice the indoor, the frequent feeds, and the turnout.

As as a former BM, I will say that there are a lot of factors that play into the feasibility of your requirements. Our barn satisfied them all, but we had a number of onsite staff, a handyman for maintenance, and our board price reflected this (and still, we basically broke even for board). For example:

Hay feeding- limited by staff and availability. Are you okay with a round bale or do you only want to feed square? What if there is grass? Are you okay with a winter hay surcharge? If hay is expensive or limited in your area, the barns are likely very careful about hay wastage, which increases with frequent feedings. Is there staff onsite all the time, and available to do a lunch feeding or a night check feeding?

Turnout- do they have enough to put every horse out at once? Enough to have some resting, if you want the grass to have a shot? What about in the cold months, when the horses might only be out for 6-7 hours? We used to bring in at 2 in the winter, because the sun started to set at 3 and the horses would go batty wanting to come in. It created an unsafe situation for staff (especially with ice/snow) so we had to cut turnout back. As for the field boarders, we cleaned the shelters once a week, and dragged the fields as needed. They stayed plenty clean (lots of space) on this schedule, but if someone expected to never see a poo pile in the shelter, they would have been disappointed. The horses also went into a smaller sacrifice area in the muddy part of the spring, so we could seed and rest the fields. Yes, it sucked for a few weeks, but we wouldn’t have had good summer pasture otherwise. Compromise!

Fencing- I agree you shouldn’t compromise here, but recognize that your price bracket may dictate the fence quality. The farm I managed had 3-board fence with hot tape and we repaired at least 2-3 issues a week. Horses are hard on fencing and boards are expensive!

Arenas- costly to build and time consuming to maintain. Outdoor rings freeze unless they are treated and harrowed continually and indoors require watering, raking, and dragging daily if in reasonable use. More hours for staff = more expense. I would guess we spent an hour a day on indoor maintenance alone (move jumps if necessary, rake edges, drag, sprinkle).

Boarding is all about compromise. You’ll probably find you have to compromise somewhere- cost, distance, or one of your expectations. Best of luck to you!

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Don’t feel bad, I have also been at four different barns in the last four years mostly due to finding the right training program, logistics and decent footing. I look at barns like dating, sometimes you have to try a few before you find the right one. In Most barns in So Cal the barn provides the stall, feed, cleaning and maintains the facilities. Trainers provide the care such as turn outs, blanketing, feeding supplements, etc, along with the actual training. Finding the right combo is challenging and add the logistics of dealing with So Cal traffic, can make you go crazy. I like where I am thus far, but I have only been at this location for two months. The weather has not been our friend, as most barns do not have covered arenas, and all the rain, makes the rings unrideable. So Cal does not do rainy weather well and this year has been a real challenge.

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Everyone has given great advice already. I’ve boarded at a few places, from super cheap pasture board (zero amenities) to a nice mid sized barn with indoor (but some weird people) to a very small but top of the line “backyard” place (meaning not a big show barn and really not advertised at all). I paid the most for the last place but with the very best care, she cares for them like they’re her own. Top of the line for sure but no indoor.

I agree with what @SAcres said, the best barns are usually the smaller places with personalized care, not the big show barns (of course, exceptions to every rule).

I have mine at home now and care for them the way that I want BUT I also appreciate board more than before as well (since I know exactly what goes into it!). I’m planning to get another horse soon and will board her at the tiny but perfect “backyard” place with my trainer for a while. Small is better in my opinion.

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