It pains me to say this, but mane cutting?

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I can’t believe so many people still do this in this day and age of $6000 custom saddles and equine massage and $25 bags of grain.[/QUOTE]

Some horses don’t seem to mind a bit. My bay horse has “good hair.” Nice and thin and even, and when you pull it comes right out like magic. He seems to ENJOY a good mane pull, like it scratches the itch along the mane scalp line or something? He’ll get really into it the same way he does when he’s getting a scratch in a good spot.

My chestnuts, it bothers them a TON like it hurts. One is a little bit of a baby but the other is quite stoic, so I think it does hurt them.

My other bay is a headcase and excluded from the study.

So it seems to me that some horses don’t mind this and don’t find it painful. Other horses find it uncomfortable and/or painful.

I can’t decide if I think it actually hurts them or not. I’ve had one fall asleep while having it’s mane pulled and then freak out the next time. He was also easily convinced that it wasn’t such a big deal with a random reward system. I’m pretty sure that the thought of a tiny piece of treat every now and again could not overrule any serious pain. :smiley:

What I always found odd…is that I RARELY had a horse who pulling the tail bothered. Most didn’t care or actually liked it. I only clip more often because it is faster and I have limited time. BUT I have several horses who HATE pulling their mane. Like throw you against the wall hate…and yet I could pull their tail.

Most don’t seem to care too much.

To speak to the current topic, re: Pulling manes as painful and barbaric or not.

You do/can teach a horse how to accept mane pulling. It’s like having their face washed or ears clipped. It’s a nice skill for a show horse to have. I learned from a great horsewoman/groom/(meth head) how to change a horse’s mind about these inconvenient parts of a show horse’s toilette. She would tease up the hair pull out a just a few, nicely separated at their roots and then instantly scratch the horse’s mane afterwards. That feels really good… worth waiting for. IME, when the horse stops having the expectation of pain and learns to look for the good scratch that follows, the meaning of mane pulling changes for him.

You can retrain older horses, even ones whom it hurts a bit. You can really do a nice job giving a green horse a skill that will help him out for the rest of his life if you teach him how to have his mane pulled before anyone else screws it up. To me, it’s part of the first round of under saddle training. Their skin and mental maturity is enough like an adult horse at that time to make that a the right developmental window for teaching mane pulling.

With respect to the horror of cutting manes for a hunter, It Ain’t So!

A jumper guy taught me how to tease and cut a mane to produce the soft edge of a pulled mane. Now, I cut and pull in combination to make a horse’s mane of even thickness all the way down….precisely because that will make a braid job look better.

Another bonus of cutting I have noticed: The hairs are all the same length. That makes braids better and the whole mane lie down better when unbraided. When you keep a mane pulled, you insure that there will always be shorter new hairs growing in. IMO, those aren’t optimal.

I can’t speak as a professional braider about working with one of my cut/pulled manes. I put braids in myself and find it easier to have a mane that ends just about at one spot; the braid doesn’t taper and taper and taper. Or rather, as someone who takes braids out, it makes a huge difference to have a braid that doesn’t taper to just a few hairs and yarn. Those braids are the biggest, hottest, tiredest, have-to-pee, just want this day to end and so does the horse, PITA ever. Makes you want to just cut the ends off. And that’s not a good way to use scissors on a mane.

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I can’t decide if I think it actually hurts them or not. I’ve had one fall asleep while having it’s mane pulled and then freak out the next time. He was also easily convinced that it wasn’t such a big deal with a random reward system. I’m pretty sure that the thought of a tiny piece of treat every now and again could not overrule any serious pain. :D[/QUOTE]

Quite honestly: I believe for some horses it is painful and some horses it is not.

It’s fair to listen to the horse in front of you.

Some people try things like teething gel on the mane area, and it can help to do it on a warm day. Really pay attention to your technique - pulling only a few hairs at a time rather than a whole hunk, and pulling up so you’re not also pulling the muscles in the neck sideways can help. If the horse really objects, it’s up to you to find an acceptable way to the horse or to decide not to pull and figure out how to braid tiny braids, or using a running braid, or braid as infrequently as possible, or roach, or whatever. There are solutions, especially if you do your own braiding.

What you don’t want to end up with is a bunch of hairs about an inch long that are cut, not for this braid occasion and not in a few weeks when you have to do it again…