Itchy butt — 3rd double dose update on p. 4

It sounds like you’re on the right track – once worms & flies are out of the picture, itchiness comes down to nutrition, allergies & skin sensitivity, in my experience. These are long and annoying processes, though. Here’s my 2 cents:

I have 3 geldings with varying degrees of itchy butt. One has allergies, so his butt is seasonally itchy, and antihistamines help. One has a sensitive gut and gets the runs from diet changes or stress, and while we’re working on his nutrition, the butt-itch comes from having liquid manure dry on his skin. He needs washing & skin moisturizer/protector.

The last one just has sensitive skin and a perpetually dirty sheath. I use coconut oil – a big, cheap tub from Costco – on all 3 to clean, moisturize & protect skin. I wear a latex glove and melt it in my hand and apply it on their dock, butt, and for the dirty sheath guy, I use it to clean his sheath anywhere from weekly to monthly. He is so appreciative, he stands with one leg hiked up to give better access.

You mentioned that your guy has a gunky sheath and the vet doesn’t recommend more frequent cleaning. I adore my vet, but I haven’t found him particularly helpful for getting to the bottom of non-life-threatening dermatology problems. I’ve had great luck with this protocol, and my boys no longer cranky and itchy, and it’s a very simple fix.

The vets & armchair vets who insist that sheaths shouldn’t be cleaned frequently – well, I care a lot more about what my horse thinks. I see him every day. The internet, I can turn off. :lol:.

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Yes, I’ve tried that. The itches went with him.

Is it a clue if the scratching doesn’t stop at all after a sheath cleaning?

Do you rinse the coconut oil out of the sheath after applying, or do you just leave it there?

I’m going to try this…

Maybe try him without the flax? I know its supposed to be great for skin issued but my allergy pony was much worse on flax. He did not test positive to flax on his allergy panel, but each time I tried it his skin acted up.

I’d pull him off everything except water and hay and see what happened. Then add back one thing at a time to see if it made a difference. Quit bathing him and try keeping his sheath cleaner. You can clean it more often and many ponies need it as they are so low to the ground and can get nastier than horses I swear.

Could it be weeds in his hay/grass he’s eating causing issues? Could you keep in in a dry lot as a test for a week with controlled hay source?

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Cetirizine is a 2nd gen antihistamine, hydrozyzine is a first gen. AFAIK the only diff is sedation effects? “Second-generation H[SUB]1[/SUB]-antihistamines are newer drugs that are much more selective for peripheral H[SUB]1[/SUB] receptors as opposed to the central nervous system H[SUB]1[/SUB] receptors and cholinergic receptors. This selectivity significantly reduces the occurrence of adverse drug reactions, such as sedation, while still providing effective relief of allergic conditions.”

What dose did you use? I was giving fourteen 10mg pills BID IIRC, which was low end of the above-mentioned dose for my horse.

Here’s where I got it: https://www.healthwarehouse.com/major-cetirizine-10mg-tablets-500ct.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA4bzSBRDOARIsAHJ1UO4cf7Zy0tWWjYvGbKtqknfpkMG_QQjvXzqrgCcMk4tqvxOb9ivl0wEaAouMEALw_wcB

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So, it too me months to get to this solution. When I cleaned his sheath with Ivory soap & warm water, per the vet’s suggestion, his itching went down by about half but the production of gunk did not slow down at all, and the washing left his skin dried out and he seemed uncomfortable. It’s hard to get soap off 100% and I didn’t like the risk of overdoing it and/or leaving residue. Same goes for Excalibur – it’s too harsh, in my experience.

Then I tried aloe vera, per the racetracker’s suggestion (friends, but lots online here suggest it, too). I’d put a handful up there, let it rest for an hour, and then wipe it out with unscented baby wipes or a soft cloth and some warm water. That worked well to clean him up, but, his skin still seemed unhappy – lots of flaking that solidified into uncomfortable clumps that collected dirt, sweat, etc…

I thought the coconut oil sounded like a PITA and some silly new fad, but, it is the magic sheath stuff. I scoop about a tablespoon at a time into my hand, let it start to melt, and then just smear it around in there. The gunk falls out. I never wipe it off anymore. His skin stays soft, he’s very happy to stand for this, and no more itching. Good luck – I hope it’s this simple for you guys!

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Cindyg, PM me if you like. There are several additional things I have learned via research or by trial and error regarding stopping the itch/rubbing. Some are sweet itch related and I don’t want to sidetrack/hijack this thread. That discussion could also get lengthy.

I am curious what your Fjord’s lineage is. He may be showing the initial signs of sweet itch (or not). My one developed it progressively over several seasons, before he came to me. In the 2 years he has now been with me, he is itch free, although I will never consider him cured. It’s an ongoing management routine. He also has other allergies, shown via test but has not had shots. They don’t seem to be the main trigger.

I have 2 Fjords (totally unrelated to each other). Both itched for different reasons, but both are now itch free. Happy to share the journey of getting closer to the actual cause, not just relieving symptoms. Happy to share, if you are interested.

And yes, proactive measures need to start well before “allergy season”.

The tape test does not always show pin worms so worm him with a good wormer for pin worms.

Keep the whole area clean as others have said. Wipe with a soft wet cloth and then dry.

Apply zinc oxide to the area. Clean and reapply daily for at least a week.

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I recently came across this thread: https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/forum/discussion-forums/horse-care/17248-something-to-kill-adult-onchocerca-19-case-studies-posted-page-58

This might be worth a try?

Over the counter allergy pills dissolved in water and then syringed into the horse’s mouth will usually show results within 30 minutes or so if the horse is allergic to something. Buy a brand name of human allergy pills and try them out. I’ve done this before and it worked.

I would commit to trying the wash cloth and warm water first to see if it helps. It really makes a difference with my horse and it is cheap.

As far as the sheath thing goes, my gelding is quite gunky and my vet recommended just putting KY up there every few days and then once a week etc. It’s helped and it is not irritating. Now I worry that he is going to pre IR because I read something about smegma build up and IR…sigh…are we having fun yet?

Huh. Interesting. I’m certainly going to try this.

Holy moly. Thank you for posting that! I’ve seen that thread a million times, but hadn’t waded in due to the length. But, yeah, wow.

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Oh, no, no, no! Do not say that!

Since my original post, I have been keeping his tail and his sheath lubed up with aloe and/or coconut oil. This did seem to help. But now he’s scratching again.

Follow up question: I’m about ready to try the neck threadworm protocol because I don’t know what else to try— except worming him for pinworms.

He has had the tape test for pinworms, and it came up negative. I’ve read that there are false negatives.

I understand there is no simple way to test for neck threadworms.

So this is a bit of a shot in the dark.

I also understand that there is no wormer that will eliminate both pinworms and threadworms.

Should I start with a power pack to address the pinworms, or should I start with ivermectin to address the neck threadworms?

We live in Texas, which I know is neck threadworm territory. Most of his itching is on his butt right now, and it looks just like the pictures of horses with pinworms. But he has scratched all over. He gets swellings on his chest and neck in the spring, and he gets patches a very dry, flaky skin.

I appreciate any advice.

Buy a tube of Anthelcide EQ and give it to him. It will kill off the pinworms. Then he will quit rubbing right away.

My horse was itching his tail. He had ivermectin a week before I got him and PowerPack about a month after I got him but was still itching.
I used a tube of apple flavored ivermectin and rubbed it around and in his anus. I had to repeat it with the other tube about 4 weeks later. No more rubbing his tail. I seem to remember I read about this on COTH as another treatment for pinworms. It did the job for Carson.

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This is a zebra diagnosis, but my old lady mare itches her butt due to the arthritis in her neck. I suspect the neck problems cause some tingling neuropathy. She’s worse in the summer when the flies land.

The only thing that helps (and I have tried EVERYTHING) is keeping a sheet with a tail flap on her. She still rubs, but the flap helps to prevent hair breakage.

So if you really run out of things to try, it might be worthwhile to have the vet check the neck.

I take citirizine sometimes to help with my sleep LOL But, it’s not the same sort of sedative effect as a typical antihistamine, such as diphenhydramine

That was going to be my first suggestion, but a 1.5x dose of Anthelcide. Or heck, just give 2 full tubes if a 1.5x dose is more than 1.5 tubes.

If we assume this is a pinworm issue, it might take a while to get it resolved because of the lifecycle of the buggers. It might take double dosing oxibendazole (Anthelcide) or pyrantel pamoate (ie Strongid) every 3-4 weeks to really break their cycle as they continue to mature, as you might have an ivermectin resistance issue

I would not expect NTWs to be manifesting as butt itching, but they are such a strange thing so who knows. A couple of double Equimax doses might show improvement sooner than a couple of double Strongid/Anthelcide doses, so you could try that and see what happens. DD Equimax, then again in 2 weeks. If you don’t see positive changes by then (which might actually manifest as increased itching due to die-off) then I’d switch to the DD Strongid/Anthelcide for a few rotations and see.

I’ll add again - that’s if the reasonable assumption is that it could be pinworms :slight_smile: