I've tried and tried.... HOW DO I SIT THE TROT!

without knowing ur training style :wink:

start in the walk and really try and feel your horses steps. You can feel your seatbones move independently and you’re legs should be relaxed so your horses barrel moves ur legs one at a time (note that every time ur leg is pushed away from the barrel that is the same hind leg that is pushing… i think lol). this feel was really important for me.

Once ur in the trot, start slow (dropping ur stirrups will definantely help the feel you need to get)… not collected or even shortened, just slow. Relax everything in ur body, and feel the trot, feel your seatbones moving independent (left then right then left then right). keep as relaxed as you can and let ur legs just hang feeling the slight L then R in your legs.

This is what i ended up doing to sit a trot (big drafty/stb trot at that!) i sat on that poor horse like a bag of potatoes learning to feel how my horses body influenced my body, and as it made sense… learn how my body can influence my horse. And as you get stronger, you can let ur horse actually move in the trot.

Just another take and tidbits that really helped me… Feel ur horse thru ur seat and just relax :yes:

Hunters really press down into their heels which makes your leg muscles rigid and that in turn will bounce you out of the saddle.

Also look at yourself in the mirror (if you can, have someone look at you if you can’t) and tell you how you’re sitting -
behind the vertical?
Straight up and down (think of standing up in saddle except don’t put any push down on the stirrups)
Leaning forward?

Then adjust yourself to appear to you/person on ground to be straight up and down. If you still bounce then without moving upper body try rocking back on your butt a bit more. Does that help?

Above all do NOT tense. If you feel like you’re ready to fall off have a grab strap around horses neck and pull your body into the saddle. Better done if someone else is handling horse (i.e. lunging).

http://www.classicaldressage.co.uk/html/sitting_the_trot.html

"I put her in a circle at a steady, slow pace. try to sit on my seat bone, try to relax, try to breath, yet i bob, jiggle, shake, rattle and roll. Pretty embaressing that i can’t do this. HELP!!

Someone told me you need to round your back while keeping your legs long… is this right, does this make sense. Someone else told me your ankles should bob as you put the weight out of your stirrups and into your seat. Does that make sense…"

The above would not be a good way to learn to sit the trot. Especially not rounding your back, ‘sitting on your pockets’, ‘rolling your hips under’, etc. That turns you into a bowling ball in the saddle, and bowling balls don’t have shock absorbers, they just bang up and down. Your body only absorbs the motion if your back is in a normal position, and relaxed.

Don’t TRY to do anything, don’t TRY to make circles with your hips, don’t TRY to rolll your hips under, just sit on the horse and relax and let yourself be moved.

Not sure what your seat ‘bone’ is. There are two bony points toward the back of your ‘sit’, and there is the front of your ‘sit’ that’s near the pommel. Your weight should be evenly distributed - not too much on the front, not too much on the back of your ‘sit’.

I am not sure why you expect to learn to sit the trot without ‘bobbing’, and ‘jiggling’. That is normal. First you have to get loose and relaxed, then you worry about making it a little more smooth or elegant looking. If you try to do that too soon, before you’re really loose and soft, it won’t work.

You should be TRYING to flop and be loose and bounce up and down. Stop trying not to do that. Relax about it. Never worry about what you look like or what people think.

Many people who ride hunt seat don’t learn to sit the trot. As a hunt seat rider, you may have spent a long time in a hunt seat position, with a firmly braced lower leg and ankle, toes turned out, heels pushed way down, and ankle c0cked. Even at the walk and trot the position isn’t designed for sitting the trot. That is great for galloping and jumping, but interferes with sitting the trot.

The first thing is to loosen up. Drop your stirrups, loosen your leg up completely, drop your toes down if it helps, and try to get the side of your leg next to the horse, instead of the back of your leg. Let go your ankle and let everything move. I’m not sure who said this, maybe Bill Bond…‘try to find the saddle with your a**’, LOL. In other words, many people tend to hover over the saddle, or push themselves back up on the cantle away from the deepest point of the seat of the saddle, because they stiffen and brace in the stirrups. So ‘try to find the saddle with your a**’, LOL. The ‘sit like a jockey’ exercise can help if you really bring your knees way up above the saddle so they meet.

Don’t slow down your horse, not if you want to sit the trot for dressage. It makes it harder to sit, more ‘lumpy’ and more ‘two piece’ than one single rhythm, and it avoids the most important thing, which is to get so you don’t CARE if you bounce around, you just relax and go with it and get down into the saddle, instead of ontop of it.

I do miss the days of hunt seat riding, but ‘back in the day’, we spent an awful lot of time learning to sit the trot, riding without stirrups, and jumping without stirrups and without reins and being longed, and well, doing exercises that today are considered ‘only for dressage’. AH…back in the caveman days.

I like what Mary in Area 1 said about the horse, and as someone who is working on the same issues, here’s my advice.

(1) it is not going to happen overnight. It is going to require truly building your core strength, and increasing your suppleness. You want to move with, and direct, the horse’s energy. You can’t brace, you can’t really absorb, you have to direct the flow. So you’re really in the middle of the whole shebang, but it’s like a flowing river, and you want to gently direct the course, not send the water splashing over the edge (and maybe drowning yourself in the process). Pilates. Yoga. Whatever it takes. Your core must absolutely be independent of your arms and legs - they are aids, but they can’t be the ones running the show. And they can’t be blocking or inhibiting your horse’s movement or that will cause your horse to hollow and brace.

(2) Speaking of horse. Your horse needs to be in the same boat (to keep the river analogy). His core should be strong, he needs to be supple. If there is resistance, it’s going to be be-boing, be-boing, and you don’t want that.

The funny thing is, people think that there’s no movement - “Oh, look how quiet her leg/hands/whatever are!” - but in fact, there’s a lot of movement. It’s just movement in sync with the horse, and it’s not huge.

(3) Breathe. Really. It helps the flow.

Are you trying to sit the trot on a forward seat saddle?

no Round Horse, No Sitting Trot

It isn’t possible if your horse isn’t round with his back up. I suffered through trying to do sit trot on a horse who wasn’t read to carry me in a sit trot. It feels absolutely awful! It also hurts both of you and the horse becomes even less enthused with it.

Please, do it only on a round horse who is strong enough for the exercise. Lots of transitions will help to get the hindquarters under. When the horse is right, you will feel like you are sucked into the sitting trot because it is easier to do. Strange, I know! You will be able to feel the wither and ribcage rise and the barrel completely change shape. It may only last a couple of strides, so go back to posting when you have lost the feeling. It is hard for the horse to maintain the shape at the beginning. Give both of you lots of praise, both of you suck on sugar and lots of pats all around…

Centered Riding!

Start with walk and the following seat; then move into trot but, only for a few strides 3-4, remembering alternating sides:yes:; then do the three seats at the trot exercise; You can read about them in the books:yes: but, you really need someone to put their hands on you to help you feel your body:cool:; and give you suitable directives:winkgrin:

core strenth…core strength…core strength

I know it sounds like ‘have faith’ or ‘think positively’…it’s not a ‘concept

It is a fitness issue…I never knew I had it until I lost it and had to get it back again…

Go to the gym…get a good (not nice!) personal trainer…learn to use your body…your horse will thank you and you will get sooo much more out of your riding than you ever thought possible :slight_smile:

i am sure this was mentioned… but unless you have a super comfy horse with a smooooth trot, you wont be able to sit no matter how hard you try until your horse is working more or less correctly over the back - once that happens the horse creates a place for you to sit and the back becomes soft and “easy” to sit on… then earning to sit the trot is doable.

i suggest lunge lessons on a horse that has the correct muscles and knows how to use its back correctly so you can sit.

mbm, that is so true. I thought I had it all figured out, then Mac died and I started riding the Friesian’s trot more seriously. I think that I am going to fall to pieces…

I am working on some of the same things, but multiplied by a trot so big and bouncy even my trainer is having trouble with it (she got it, I haven’t yet). So we work very hard on getting his back up under us, and just going with the flow. I visualize a beach ball bouncing down the beach with me sitting on it, centered and sproingy, and I relax my ankles, my knees, my hips, my back and center myself again and again (then my shoulders get tense and I try to relax them). I sit for 3-4 strides, then post for 8, then sit for 3-4 strides, and post for 8. Loose, supple, I read Sally Swift again and again before I ride. I’m doing yoga. I’m working on my core. I’m being patient. It’s not gonna happen overnight. Good advice here, though, and lots for you (and me!) to work on.

Well I can only agree with sitting on your seatbones and leaning back if you can ride with your hands independent from your legs - otherwise you end up hanging on the horse’s face. Put a strap on the front of the saddle (we call them suicide straps) and hook your pinky fingers in the strap to steady your hands.

As sitting trot requires control - you really need to strengthen your stomach muscles and that involves Off-horse exercises. You lower back can only be flexible and strong if your stomach muscles are in shape. I know this from have two bad back injuries including compression fractures.

Also remember (as they say in Germany - you own your elbows) - think about an invisible but elastic connection between your elbows and hips - that way if the horse pulls forward you are pulled deeper into the saddle and not tipping your upper body forward.

I too love lunge lessons that are done correctly. They are good for everyone.

It is interesting to read all the various opinions, suggestions and experiences everyone has learning the sitting trot. What I’ve learned on one horse is different on another. The only way I ever really “got it” was definitely without stirrups. Well, it probably helped that I was being taught at the moment by Steurt Pittman on my very steady draft cross. Now that I have a more forward, sometimes bouncy horse that strategy is not as easy to implement. So, I am now in the “horse must be round” crowd in order for me to sit properly. At least on my current mount. So, the work is getting him balanced, straight and softly in the contact. That way I can be more relaxed and let him do his job. Oy, the life of learning to ride correctly…

Ditto on longe lessons–as many as you can afford. I took 2 years off from moving up to get my head wrapped around sitting the trot. I’m working with a Pilates instructor and, more important, I got my horse strong across the topline so he can left his back. Time and hard work is the winning combination.

I’m an eventer, and as such, I haven’t spent as much time as I ought to on dressage basics… just trying to get through the test… and that got me to Training. But now its catching up with me and I’ve only just recently figured out my sitting trot issues. My suggestion is to drop your irons, let your legs hang down and take a deep breath. Just at the halt. Then, practice at the trot, slow is good enough to start. You have to practice unlocking and building up those muscles until you’re comfortable at your horse’s working trot. I found that without my stirrups I was able to go with the motion and bounce less. I think that with my stirrups I brace with my legs and grip with my knees and also use my hands too much for balance. Its worth a try! Good luck!

Regarding the ankle issue - work without stirrups is great. BUT, as a former huntery type rider, I braced and pinched with my leg even without stirrups. That constant refrain of “heels down” does a number on a dressage seat!

The one thing that helped me the most was no stirrup work, and when I gripped too much with my leg I rolled my ankles and feet. Even now, if I get too tense and bracing with my legs, I drop the stirrups and roll my ankles around. You want to feel that lower leg draping softly on the side of the horse, and there should always be contact between your leg and the horse.

cented Riding bodywork!

Find a Centered Riding instructor who, can do some basic bodywork on you while mounted:yes:; you sound like you are working Too :no: HARD to be supple; the principle to apply is “non doing”; that is going to take someone with a trained eye; something in your body is blocking the motion needed to follow the horse; Leaning back puts much of your body into locking/ contracted mode get tense and I try to relax them). I sit for 3-4 strides, then post for 8, then sit for 3-4 strides, and post for 8. Loose, supple, I read Sally Swift again and again before I ride. I’m doing yoga. I’m working on my core. I’m being patient. It’s not gonna happen overnight. Good advice here, though, and lots for you (and me!) to work on.


cented Riding bodywork!

Find a Centered Riding instructor who, can do some basic bodywork on you while mounted:yes:; you sound like you are working Too :no: HARD to be supple; the principle to apply is “non doing”; that is going to take someone with a trained:cool: eye; something in your body is blocking the motion:mad: needed to follow the horse; Leaning back puts much of your body into locking/ contracted :o mode get tense and I try to relax them). I sit for 3-4 strides, then post for 8, then sit for 3-4 strides, and post for 8. Loose, supple, I read Sally Swift again and again before I ride. I’m doing yoga. I’m working on my core. I’m being patient. It’s not gonna happen overnight. Good advice here, though, and lots for you (and me!) to work on.


No, I’m old, and my back hurts, but the yoga does help :).

Actually, we did really good last night in our lesson (and my instructor did work with Sally, by the way - she loved her). I AM working too hard, and we got my shoulders down (I was hunching defensively) and everything got a lot better. It wasn’t that I couldn’t sit, it was that I was feeling like my very bones were going to break. I did a lot of non-stirrup work last night and I can actually walk today. Like I said, I wasn’t having any problem with a normal horse trot, even the 17.3 Oldenburg’s, but this Friesian is a different story. They tend to not lift their backs easily so we’ve been addressing that first. He’ll drop it, though, if I sit too long, because he’s out of shape.

take your stirrups off your saddle for a bout a month. if you can’t ride your own horse without stirrups, try to borrow an old lesson horse for a while. or find a very small arena or round pen to do it in, so he can’t get away from you. it takes time and practice. start with a very slow jog just a few steps, and back to walk, over and over. hold the front of the saddle if it helps for a step or two, then let go, hold it again and let go.

be patient with your self! if you are not relaxed and you are tense and frustrated, it will not help you. also, watch other people who sit the trot well, watch videos, and hold it in your mind when you try.

ride bareback some too! again with the slow walk to jog, back to walk transitions.

move with the horse and not against him.