Jack Russells as family/farm dogs?

Unfortunately my experience with RESCUES (my pound puppies have been pretty great) have been awful. Completely mispresented dogs. Either they were unable to properly evaluate them due to lack of knowledge or interest, or something else was going on, I dont know. My point was, the physical risk of an adult dog with children is significantly higher than with a puppy.

We can only comment on our own experiences, that has been mine. Glad other people have had good ones with rescues. My worst experience was with Blue Ridge Border Collie Rescue. Perhaps people who have had great rescue experiences could tell us who they were? In this case, a particular JRT rescue that does excellent work?

I’d suggest you go with a boxer. Every one I’ve met LOVES kids. You can find young-ish ones all day long on craigslist in my area. I don’t think you have to be all that dog savvy to deal with one - they are big love sponges and want to please. My female was quite the varmit slayer from rats to picking birds out of the air. She was NOT a fan of cats and many boxers aren’t so that is a consideration.

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SE JRs are NOT shy, although there has been an occasional Belly crawler, due to some outside blood. I am the original owner of the bitch that produced the bitch that got the SE line going so many years and incredible dogs ago. Of course, its a long story, many mentors before and after. Still have 6 of them. They are great dogs, as far as JRs go, they DO hunt, but they also have to fit into family life.[/QUOTE]

I didn’t know if you were still on the board. A number of years ago, we exchanged some private correspondence about the Sows Ear lines. I was especially interested in them (if I were to get a Jack) because they DO hunt. One of the other reasons I liked the SE line was that they were raised in a pack in the house and hunted together. Those are all traits that I liked. So many of the Jacks that I see around here are dog/dog aggressive, I’ve stayed away from them. I like the look and the ability of the SE Jacks and am glad to hear they are not shy.

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To say that most rescue dogs lack training - or that lack of training is why most are unwanted in the first place - is dangerously misleading. Yes, you can easily find a “project” rescue dog, but you can also easily find a rescue dog who just walks in and is the family dog. Many unwanted dogs in shelters and pounds are house-trained and have basic commands. They’re often just “lack of time” or “too high energy” dogs - they were acquired as puppies by people who realized too late that they didn’t have the interest in dealing with a young dog’s energy level. You can’t train an 18-month-old lab mix who gets walked around the block once a day; it’s like teaching French to a toddler on a sugar high. I’ve gotten 3 dogs from shelters, all came very well house-broken and all came with basic manners and at least a rudimentary understanding of commands like “Sit” and “Stay.” Were they obedience champs? No. But they were familiar with the ideas, and just needed refreshing and reinforcement.[/QUOTE]

I’m a dog adoption counselor at a no-kill shelter in my area. Our dogs live in a shelter environment (they are not fostered)…they go out 4 times each day (early morning, late morning, late afternoon, evening). When people ask if they’re housebroken, I’ll be honest…it’s a total crapshoot. I can share that the dog’s kennel is almost always dry, there’s no poo in it, etc. and that’s a good sign that the dog is holding their urine/bowels until they have the opportunity to go out which should transfer into a home situation with a good schedule. However, we have many dogs whose kennels are wet, wet, wet. Housetraining on those dogs…probably not going to be as easy.

None of the dogs in our shelter know basic commands reliably. They are walked twice each week by our volunteers, many of whom do so because they love dogs, not because they know how to properly walk a dog on a leash. Very few walk calmly at the walker’s side without pulling. That said, is it fair to expect that of them? Most will go into a sit with assistance. NONE know stay/wait/leave it/ or down.

Are they all trainable, though? Absolutely they are, but I certainly would not expect that a shelter dog will meet those requirements. A foster dog may come with a better understanding of housetraining, loose leash walking and basic commands because they’re living in a home, not a shelter.

As far as the dogs that come into shelters…it’s quite the menagerie. There are many different reasons people surrender dogs to the shelter (as evidenced by what they write on the surrender forms): pees in the house because he’s 15 years old and I’m sick of cleaning it up, chewed up the sofa, bit my wife/husband/child, climbs the fence and I’m tired of animal control fining me, I didn’t realize he would become 50+ pounds, state law requires that dog have rabies vaccination and I’m not paying a vet for it, the dog is sick and I can’t afford to take care of it, I didn’t realize that having an infant and a dog would require so much effort, realized after getting a puppy that we’re not ready for a dog yet, going into assisted living that won’t allow pets over 15 pounds, barks, marks on my toddler…

Generally, as I’m sure most of you are aware…it’s not necessarily a dog issue but an owner issue when dogs end up in shelters. 90% of the time, any issues, if there were any, could have been prevented.

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I’d suggest you go with a boxer. Every one I’ve met LOVES kids. You can find young-ish ones all day long on craigslist in my area. I don’t think you have to be all that dog savvy to deal with one - they are big love sponges and want to please. My female was quite the varmit slayer from rats to picking birds out of the air. She was NOT a fan of cats and many boxers aren’t so that is a consideration.[/QUOTE]

This makes me feel a little better out my girl :lol: She’s the best dog ever, BUT she can not be trusted with cats. She’s attacked two in the past that I have known and I watch her vigilantly to make sure she never gets the opportunity to do so again. She was a rescue and was 4 when we got here, she’ll turn 7 tomorrow. She is also DA occasionally. She gets along great with my male boxer, my parents dogs, my friends dogs, etc. - pretty much everyone. But SOMETIMES she will just snap and go after a dog for no apparent reason. I don’t trust her alone with any animal that I don’t KNOW she gets along with - usually quiet male dogs. But she is great with kids and horses! I hope she’s alive when I have kids someday, because she’s exactly the kind of dog I’d want her to have. My male boxer I got as a puppy from a backyard breeder who was small time and knew what she was doing, but not a big time breeder. He’s a great dog, but has a LOT of energy. He can’t play effectively by himself - you have to engage him by throwing the ball/stick/whatever toy he likes that day and he can go for hours. Definitely a good playmate for a high energy kid, but he’s a little off put by them. He does NOT like loud kids who run after or away from him. I do not trust him around kids because I have seen him snap when one would just not. leave. him. alone. On the other hand he is very very submissive to other animals of all kinds and I’d trust him with anyone that wasn’t too small to play safely with him - because he LOVES to play. He was also difficult to train because he wanted to do what HE wanted to do: not treat motivated, not praise motivated, not discipline motivated, etc. Overall, though, I do love boxers. I don’t think they’re for the faint of heart.

Some rescues are actually spending the money on those OTC DNA tests and using the results to pick breeds when they do listings. There’s one posting where a 110% pit bull mix is listed as as an Irish Wolfhound mix. That dog’s an IW the way I’m a Native American - anything’s possible, but it’s at least 5 generations back. Interestingly, there are no IWs on Petfinder listed as AmStaff mixes:rolleyes:

Although I don’t own a JRT, I’ve known quite a few very well. I really liked most of them! The ‘good’ ones were in home situations where they had owners who understood what they needed and they got lots of exercise/mental stimulation. They were busybodies who totally adored their people. Any person who wasn’t “theirs” was good for a hello but not much more. Training-wise they’re smart but they have their own agenda :lol: Reminds me of the quote “Tell a gelding, ask a stallion, discuss it with a mare”…JRTs are definitely the mares.

The bad ones I know are partially products of their environment. Someone wants the cute Wishbone dog and doesn’t realize that they have more needs than your average Maltese. At best, they get yippy. At worst they destroy furniture for fun and decide your ankles are a good substitute for rodent hunting :rolleyes: I have noticed that even with the good ones, the majority are not particularly patient with other dogs or young children.

All that said, I am currently head over heels for this guy that I’ve been walking for a local rescue. A cuddlebug with some major spunk. He kind of epitomizes JRTs for me: he’s got a lot to offer if you’re up for the challenge. :lol:

As it turns out, I heard of it, yet I have never seen it myself on the TV show so I don’t have that in mind. :wink: I asked because I knew of certain typical traits of the breed that might make them unsuitable, but I wanted to check with people who had firsthand experience rather than go by hearsay.

I am a GSD person, but I don’t want a big dog anymore. My house is tiny and I can’t deal with the shedding. Just drives me bonkers, but I miss having a dog!

I don’t want a lab or a golden. I have zero attraction for those dogs. If I’m going to feed it, I want to enjoy it.

Anyways, this thread and my previous one are the very reason why I still don’t have another dog: I can’t make up my mind just yet.

I’ll be back with more questions. :winkgrin: I hope I don’t annoy you all too much! :smiley:

Jacks shed horrendously. Seriously. How can all that hair come from 1 small dog?:wink:

so what characteristics are you looking for? In what order?

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Jacks shed horrendously. Seriously. How can all that hair come from 1 small dog?;)[/QUOTE]

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threedogpack, let me try to put this in right order…

  1. Suitable for young children with supervision (I am not looking for a babysitter).
  2. Farm/working dog, suitable around horses, will hunt vermin and won’t run away (has a good knowledge of “home territory”).
  3. Active outside, yet happy to stay quiet inside.
  4. Smart, but not hard to train. I am not into hardcore obedience, but I expect the dog to learn reasonnably easily to come back when called, sit, stay…
  5. Won’t shed horribly (although I am not sure I’d put that last…)

Oh and small to medium in size, I can’t do big dogs anymore, although they are my favorites! I’d like a dog we can pack and take on a vacation, or to a horse show, or whatever, without hauling a special trailer for it. :wink:

I still don’t understand why you just don’t contact 2 or 3 of the rescue organizations near you and put in your application so they know what they want.

When they have a dog that might be suitable they will give you a call so you and the kiddos can come meet him/her!

The first breed or mix that pops to mind is a Poodle and the second is a Schnauzer/mix, or perhaps a Portugese Water dog.

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I still don’t understand why you just don’t contact 2 or 3 of the rescue organizations near you and put in your application so they know what they want.

When they have a dog that might be suitable they will give you a call so you and the kiddos can come meet him/her![/QUOTE]

Because I am NOT ready to adopt! I am at the researching stage; asking questions; pondering all the pros and the cons; etc. :wink:

There’s no point in sending in an application to a rescue when I might only be ready to adopt in six months from now. I’ll move forward when I’m 100% decided; not before.

the poodles/schnauzers come in 3 sizes and are a single coat. I’m sure you already know this, but don’t confuse single coat with maintance free, they still require grooming but it can be clipping down short & rinsing off. Longer coats will require more brushing, but not so much shedding

EM- You want a Bichon Frise! Seriously, I’m not joking. My S-I-L has had three, and they are every single thing you mentioned. Hers chase, and would kill if allowed, vermin, are great with kids, not too yappy, don’t shed, are happy to be active outside and quiet in.

This also happens to be what I tell everyone who asks about jrts!

Good luck

LBR

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EM- You want a Bichon Frise! Seriously, I’m not joking. My S-I-L has had three, and they are every single thing you mentioned. Hers chase, and would kill if allowed, vermin, are great with kids, not too yappy, don’t shed, are happy to be active outside and quiet in.

This also happens to be what I tell everyone who asks about jrts!

Good luck

LBR[/QUOTE]

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A Bichon? Gosh! I can’t quite picture myself with a Bichon after having a GSD! :lol:

Cairn Terriers are apparently good too?

Just one caveat to a Bichon.

They can be a tad independent.

And if you are looking at rescue…you won’t find many bichon mixes.

other than that, another good choice!

Well, in my area, they aren’t hard to find…

I think you will find cairns have a temperment akin to JRTs.

When thinking BFs, ignore the prissy show cut!

LBR