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Itās interesting to me the Akhal Teke is being blamed for the offspringās lack of quality gaits and conformation when they are 1/4 AT and the sire, while obviously a saint, has a very long back, upright neck and straight hocksā¦
That is the conformation that predisposes a horse to being a good jumper. Long back, upright shoulder, and swan neck? You just described the phenotype that makes Galoubet A and all of his offspring superstars.
Every video I saw with the exception of the sire Cradilo showed lame horses. I donāt know how you could reliably assess gaits when Levi was lame front and back and the dam Koganna (sp) clearly is lame behind. I would definitely say that stifle is bothering her.
In the videos I found of Cradilo, I would not have expected him to improve the trot in his offspring.
Itās not anything to do with being an AT, or quarter AT in the offspringās case since apparently Koganna is half. ATs can actually be great movers and they can seriously jump. Honestly, I doubt Koganaās authenticity as a half AT anyway considering the source.
Under the lamenesses I thought they had all had decent canters and could jump.
I wouldnāt breed them myself.
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Longtime lurker, first time poster coming out of lurkerdom with an interesting twist to this tale: I ended up with one of the original five thoroughbreds (not either of the ones named in the Tampa/George Morris/Michael Matz adventure) a few years after Amy owned him. A friend owned the infamous Walter. Neither of us bought the horses directly from Amy.
I showed my gelding locally in the hunter and eq rings with limited success. I never did get a clean change out of him but could place well if I rode accurately and asked for the lead over the fence. Nevertheless, he was a fabulous teacher for my teenage self. He never ever stopped, and he marched down any trail with no questions asked. Interesting side note, I did ride this horse in a George Morris clinic, and George liked him, minus the missing changes. George was very impressed with his willingness with the bank and liver pool. I ended up retiring the gelding after a few years due to arthritic changes in his spinal column and related nerve damage. He lived happily in my backyard for another ten years and I still miss him dearly.
Walter was an interesting one. He jumped like a deer, with all four feet leaving and returning to the ground all at the same time, at least when I knew him. If I remember correctly, his amateur owner ended up retiring him to a trail-riding career at her familyās cattle ranch.
I have no dog in the fight, and only communicated with Amy once about fifteen years ago to get more information on my horseās history. One thing is for certain, neither George Morris nor Chris Kappler (or Michael Matz for that matter) called to talk me out of buying this horse!
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Interesting. I was not trying to disparage ATs per seā¦ Just question the wisdom of the cross. Even if only 1\4. They are an ancient pure breedā¦ And probably prepotent when crossed. Maybe I am wrong, but I would suspect so. ID is a VERY different type of horseā¦ I just don see how this would work well.
I also would observe Akhal Teke trots on average seem to be shorter strided at the trotā¦ Not horrible, but not like a European warmblood either. There are exceptions, and some might be nice, but they arenāt a āgo toā breed for movement improvement. Perhaps they have evolved according to their purpose, and a shorter stride at the trot makes them a suitable ride to carry someone comfortably over great distances.
Yes, some serious issues with lameness in different horses of hers in different videos.
As for Galoubet and his phenotypeā¦ he was certainly not a conformation hunter. But I am not sure I would agree that jump was BECAUSE of his phenotype. And though some ATs are great jumpers, Iāve see plenty of video of many who are NOT. In my opinion, if any of these babies were good jumpers, you have to give credit to that sire.
Looks like other photos of some lovely Cradilo offspring.have been shared. If you have photos of wonderful AT crosses, that were successful and didnāt turn out looking like a horse put together by committee, Iād be curious to see them. I would imagine they might cross well with TBs or Arabs.
Where did you get that that was what the horse was purchased for? Iād love to see that link or quote from my agent, because I got ripped off. If you think I paid only $10k for that horse, you are sorely mistaken. That horse was never $10k. I had a drugged out lease horse for $12k for 6 monthsā¦but thatās a different story. All said and done, it was close to mid five-figures.
Iād address everything else, but it seems like whatever I say or do just gets ripped apart, attacked, criticized, and misunderstood. Typical horse world.
If you could see the responses from the support or connect groups on FB that I read from othersā stories, my story and their shocked, understanding, and loving responses that someone who was so young and still is young has to go through everything that I am going throughā¦thatās what all people should be like. But I guess unless you have experienced at least only one or two of the multiple things Iām going through, nobody understands or cares to.
Pretty sure asking other people to pay your medical bills while you spend ā$$$$ā on camera equipment, travel, and expensive horses, saddles, etc is probably right about the point that everyone stopped having sympathy and started not caring one whit about a person who is obviously irresponsible with money and entitled.
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bringing_up_baby, I admire your moxie! Everyone is entitled to their dreams. In all seriousness, you might contact Amy and see if you can get the ride on the grey. Heās broke to death and she lets even her beginner kids ride & show him.
His owner showed him in the Pacific Northwest, even as a 3 yo (thereās a ton of vids) and heās amateur-suitable (when heās not being gunned by Amy for the long ones to the singlesā¦yikes). And he definitely could use some leg yield work to help him out of the mess when he lands (and the resulting hopscotching). Heck, you might even do a WS position with her in Florida. This horse packs and appears to have his sireās amazingly kind temperament.
Honestly, I doubt you ride worse than Amy.
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Paging @JER who has IIRC, several very nice AT crosses, one which competed UL eventing IIRC. They do canonically cross very well with TBs, but there are also several AT x WBs that are very nice as well. I believe a COTH poster, Kyzteke, bred a few that had serious dressage potential.
I agree I would not traditionally consider an AT x ID a good mixā¦ it really depends on their phenotype. In breeding, breeding type to type is best - not all ATs are inverted, ewe necked, gangly little things, as not all IDs are heavy, clunky things. The TB x ID is a very well established cross, so I can see why someone might pair an AT with an ID as an AT is a very blooded horse, not that dissimilar in phenotype to some TBs. I imagine if ATs were more common, this type of cross might be more frequent. As it is, ATs are fairly rare and there is a premium on their stud fees and offspring.
I am not justifying the breeding here. Just pointing out that I donāt think that the AT should be blamed for the offspringās lack of quality gaits. (I doubt seriously the mare is even AT at all)
As far as AT stallions available here, I like Super Star (Sandgar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fMGglwcK3w
@LtComJoAnne I am referring to the horses that were out of Koganna/Amyās Cradilo-bred horses. Cradilo is long backed and straight behind, which someone said upthread the offspring had, and mentioned it was a conformation flaw. Iām not so sure it is, personally.
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Pump the brakes girlfriend.
Bragging about how much you spent on this horse does NOT make any point about the validity of your Go Fund Me, in fact it makes the counterpoint.
This whole horse thing was not āsomething you are going throughā itās something you put YOURSELF through. Plenty of people gave you top notch advice here and you ignored all of it and you ended up with a horse you were incapable of handling.
THEN you managed to pawn the horse off on someone else who will end up financially supporting him for the rest of his life. At all the while itās ME ME ME ME. You even threw a barb out there about how the person who bought him couldnāt ride him because he was too difficult. How does that make YOU any better than the person who sold him to you?
Actually, I hesitate to even make that point because I think the entire thing is a fantasy. More than likely you started running your mouth again and found yourself unwelcome at any barn within driving distance. IMHO for good reason.
And for the record - I am a shameless amateur but Iām still a better dressage rider than you. A little bit of herd sourness comes standard on the kinds of horses I ride. I fix it - I donāt dump them.
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I test rode an AT in Wisconsin when my friend was shopping. He was an interesting guy. Very much the conformation you would steer away from - very typically AT. He wasnāt well matched with his owner but with some very basic work we were able to get him soft and forward. He was priced high for what he had accomplished at his age and my friend passed on him but he definitely peaked my interest.
Anyway - my point being - there was a farm at one time breeding ATs in Wisconsin, so theyāre not actually unheard of floating around in that area.
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Well, when studying conformation in a static sort of way, long-backed and straight behind ARE conformation flaws. That doesnāt mean that those flaws mean a particular horse will be a failure. In fact, we often like a longer back for jumping (when compared to a short back).
've never heard anyone call straight behind anything but a conformation flaw, but again, that doesnāt mean every horse that is straight behind will be a worthless or unsound at a young age if they have a performance career. But I can tell you, if I wanted to jump things of a decent size, I would avoid that flaw.
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Of course, too straight behind is a major conformation flaw, when weāre talking straight like the AQHA halter horsesā¦ As is too long in the back. However, a degree of straightness behind and long in the back are not, in of themselves, major conformation flaws and neither appear to be deal-breakers when it comes to breeding UL horses.
Pay attention to the WB registries and study the UL stallions both in jumping and dressage disciplines. Youāll notice they consistently are long in the back (long lined) and/or straighter than the ideal behind, especially jump horses. Many IDs are straighter behind than the suggested āidealā, and many WBs are longer backed than the suggested āidealā. It is just that, an ideal - the horse and how he performs IMHO is much more important.
Straightness behind is considered by many breeders to lend the horse more flexibility in limb-folding over fences. If you want to jump jumps of significant size, pay attention to the top jumping sires and youāll notice they too have very open/straight hocksā¦ Sure doesnāt seem to be holding Landgraf, Casall or Contendro backā¦
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People who can brag about dropping that much money on a horse do not need crowd funding for anything. Iām glad to see that no one has bothered to give you a scent.
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@halt Saying some talented horses have conformation flaws and are successful is very different than saying itās not considered a flaw. Thatās all Iām saying.
Iām speaking in generalitiesā¦not about Cradilo. 
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Not even a sniff eh?
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Wait. So she was riding at the same time as being bedridden? Iām confused.
From the gofundme:
In additional, I have been bedridden for the past year, unable to exercise due to exercise induced tachychardia, which I have been dealing with for four years, and it has only gotten worse.
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Ummmm: youād need to go back and read her other threads under at least two user names over a couple of years to really grasp what a waste of time it is trying to apply logic or common sense to her ramblings. On one hand, feel sorry for her and suspect sheās not physically or mentally healthy and on meds. But on the other hand itās like a badly written soap opera with a very thin line between truth and fiction with a dash of craving for attention and a pinch of Munchausen.
Dont try to figure it out.
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Findeight, I think itās more like someone accidentally dropped the whole shaker of Munchausen in the batterā¦
I guess I should apologize for summoning the ā¦
but Iām sort of not sorry.
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