Kaley Cuoco

[Lord_Helpus]

It seems strange to say that she is “funded”. She has a job and works for her money. She is rich because she has a good job, but she has earned it; no trust fund baby here.

If it were a man who had a well paid job and earned all his money, would we say he was “well funded”? I would guess not.

Also – calling the Olsen twin who rides a “girl” makes me sigh. Would we call a man of the same age a “boy”?

Just sayin’ ----- sexism begins at home and this thread is an example of it.

PS: I am a devout fan of TBBT and LOVE Kaley/Penny She is the one normal person in the midst of a lot of whackos and portrays the character perfectly.

[MHM]

[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;8632570]

PS: I am a devout fan of TBBT and LOVE Kaley/Penny She is the one normal person in the midst of a lot of whackos and portrays the character perfectly.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it’s funny how on the show she plays an unsuccessful actress who finally turned to another line of work. Penny probably couldn’t have afforded horses as an actress, but maybe she could now with her new job.

[AmmyByNature]

I suppose I should apologize for using the phrase “well dubbed,” since it seems to have bothered a number of you. No subtext intended - just meaning what it says. I often say that my day job “funds” my horses. To me it doesn’t imply anything except that she has plenty of funds to use on her hobby.

And “girls,” again, to me and my general generation, I feel is considered the female version of “guy,” nor a sexist diminutive.

This thread got weird.

[Dewey]

[QUOTE=AmmyByNature;8632605]
And “girls,” again, to me and my general generation, I feel is considered the female version of “guy,” nor a sexist diminutive.[/QUOTE]

I would agree with this. My college-age students always refer to each other and other women their age as “girls.” When I was in college (70s), we never did that. We were “women,” and that is how I always refer to female persons of over high-school age. I do think the differing terminology is generational.

[Sparrowette]

I was always taught that the diminutive of “Boy” is “Girl”, and the diminutive of “Guy” was “Gal”.

A “girl” was a female child, and so was not appropriate for a grown woman, but “gal” could be used, because it did not infantilize an adult.

[Cabaret_SK]

[QUOTE=Sparrowette;8632708]
I was always taught that the diminutive of “Boy” is “Girl”, and the diminutive of “Guy” was “Gal”.

A “girl” was a female child, and so was not appropriate for a grown woman, but “gal” could be used, because it did not infantilize an adult.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. I’m in my 20s, and would never refer to my group of friends as “gals”, but we call each other “girls” sometimes. I actually can’t think of the last time I heard someone use the word “gal”.

Like others have said, must be a generational thing.

And Kaley’s Instagram is swoon-worthy - such lovely horses, she’s a beautiful rider, and it’s very clear how much she loves her horses!

[Dewey]

I am 59 and have never used the word “gal.” IME, that was a term men of my dad’s generation used.

[Lord_Helpus]

According to Wikipedia, Kelly is 31 and was awarded a star on the ‘Walk of Fame’ in 2014.

She has acted in 26 movies and 23 TV shows.

I am just pointing this out because a man with those credentials would never be called a boy.

I think that (sadly) sexism is alive and well, even in such groups as educated and well informed as COTH. I am pointing it out because awareness begins “at home”, and COTH is a ‘home’ for many of us.

[Darkwave]

[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;8632860]
According to Wikipedia, Kelly is 31 and was awarded a star on the ‘Walk of Fame’ in 2014.

She has acted in 26 movies and 23 TV shows.

I am just pointing this out because a man with those credentials would never be called a boy.

I think that (sadly) sexism is alive and well, even in such groups as educated and well informed as COTH. I am pointing it out because awareness begins “at home”, and COTH is a ‘home’ for many of us.[/QUOTE]

I do think this is generational, though. I’m a gen xer, and have seen my share of sexism. Like others have said - I see “girl” as the equivalent of “guy” and use it all the time. (actually, I also use “guys” to refer to any group of people, including one that’s all female).

I get your point about “awareness” starts at home, but we should also remember that the meaning of words evolves over time from generation to generation. To me, “girl” is the equivalent of “guy”, not just of “boy”. And as for “gal” - I associate that with the term “gal friday” - somebody who has assistant or secretarial duties. To me, gal is derogatory, while girl is neutral. I’d be put off if someone referred to me as a “gal”.

[GoodTimes]

[QUOTE=Darkwave;8633051]
I do think this is generational, though. I’m a gen xer, and have seen my share of sexism. Like others have said - I see “girl” as the equivalent of “guy” and use it all the time. (actually, I also use “guys” to refer to any group of people, including one that’s all female).

I get your point about “awareness” starts at home, but we should also remember that the meaning of words evolves over time from generation to generation. To me, “girl” is the equivalent of “guy”, not just of “boy”. And as for “gal” - I associate that with the term “gal friday” - somebody who has assistant or secretarial duties. To me, gal is derogatory, while girl is neutral. I’d be put off if someone referred to me as a “gal”.[/QUOTE]

I think it’s generational and probably even geographical. I would never be offended to be called a girl unless the tone of the conversation was clearly implying that I was immature or inexperienced. I’ve never encountered that though. Girls night, etc., is equal to guys night. Maybe that would change to Ladies night if referring to women with children/in thier 40s/50s? The only people I know who refer to anyone as “gals” also say things like “I seen” instead of “I saw”, it’s slang in the uneducated regions.

Back to the original topic. I quite like Kaley and Mary-Kate. It’s kind of cool to be in a sport where you can rub shoulders with celebs, but at the same time know that they can bite the dust just as easily as you

[Dewey]

I have to admit that even though I accept that my students refer to each other as “girls,” I don’t allow this in their written work. If they refer to college age women in their papers, I make them write “college-age women.” I feel that this term is more accepted on a wider scale, and I admit that I want them to start thinking of themselves in adult terms.

I have also noticed that some of my students (mostly men, but also some women) refer to women as “females.” This I don’t tolerate. I was taught that “females” is a term for animals, not people.

[GoodTimes]

[QUOTE=Dewey;8633127]

I have also noticed that some of my students (mostly men, but also some women) refer to women as “females.” This I don’t tolerate. I was taught that “females” is a term for animals, not people.[/QUOTE]

As a blanket statement I think that’s a bit ridiculous, but maybe that’s because I work in medicine. People are animals, they are male and female.

[hillary_again]

Dewey, I am with you. I don’t like being referred to as a “technical female” - uhh, just no to that! I do think there’s a language gap here. “Guys” is for young(er) men, and __ for young(er) women? At work, pretty much people use “guys” collectively to mean more than one person, of either sex.
I worked outside the US and my boss called us all guys, as in the time he told the customers, “I have my best guys working on it, Anna and Carolina”.

[Belmont]

Can we go back to swooning over Kaley?

[Dewey]

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Can we go back to swooning over Kaley?[/QUOTE]

Go right ahead. Sorry about the hijack.

[Rocky092]

It’s great that she also gives them forever home. I’ve read that she plans on keeping each and every horse long term, and it seems that each one holds a special place in her heart

[red_mares]

[QUOTE=Belmont;8633185]
Can we go back to swooning over Kaley?[/QUOTE]

I would but I have less than zero respect for any horse owner who schills for the ASPCA.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[lmlacross]

@Dewey;8633127

I have to admit that even though I accept that my students refer to each other as “girls,” I don’t allow this in their written work. If they refer to college age women in their papers, I make them write “college-age women.” I feel that this term is more accepted on a wider scale, and I admit that I want them to start thinking of themselves in adult terms.

I’m with you in this context. In this situation, it’s really a matter of rhetorical accuracy-- using the most specific term possible in order to express oneself with clarity. In academic writing, unless one is discussing this very issue (and therefore putting the term in quotes) or referring to female children, it’s a lazy, imprecise term.

Conversationally, though? I’m 37-- a native New Englander now in a major metro in the midwest. I don’t tend to use the term to refer to friends and contemporaries, but it doesn’t raise my feminist hackles to hear others do so. I do think connotations change with time and use.

On Kaley: I, too (after swooning) did notice the ASPCA repping and anti-slaughter rhetoric. Clearly she’s in a position to offer her show horses lifetime homes (let’s hope she’s financially smart and is always in this position). Many horse owners aren’t in this position, though. Given this, I always wonder how much thought she’s given to the “what do we do with them all” question, and whether she understand that expecting all of horse-owning America to keep their riding horses for their lifetime isn’t really possible.

She seems like an involved horse owner and a lovely rider with some great horses. It seems we just disagree on some horse-related issues (but that’s certainly not unusual among horse people).

[Sing_Mia_Song]

[QUOTE=red mares;8634589]

Talk about cutting off your nose despite your face.[/QUOTE]

I think you mean “to spite your face.”

[red_mares]

Sorry, not enough coffee.