Katie Price aka Jordan restate her Olympic ambitions (**Video**)

[slc2]

"“put down that awful book” and “those old paintings all had naked people in them.”

I have a suggestion. Don’t try to guess what I think. You’re not very good at it, LOL.

A parent is in a unique position. What goes over as ‘ok’ in some homes might not go over quite the same in Ban the Tele Tubbies land. In some communities, if they approve, even tacitly, of a kid looking at an art book like that, someone with fanatical beliefs is going to twist that around and try to imply they’re a bad parent, and suggest those pictures are the same as ‘topless modeling’ and the other subjects that have come up on this thread. I wouldn’t try to decide for a parent what they should do about that.

I’m in a unique position. As a non parent, I have to tread very carefully when it comes to matters of taste and opinion, and since everyone has a different opinion on this, I’d ask the parents first before giving their teenage, bugeyed son a coffee table book full of ‘Dejuner on the Lawn’, and stuff like that.

If it was my kid, I’d tell them that it’s a lot to think about for a kid, and just to remember to in general, keep his pants on in public, and the rest will become more clear as time goes on.

[indyblue]

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Maybe it would. Since it’s not clear what was said, I couldn’t tell.

Actually, not everyone agrees that a Matisse is ‘porn’, even if it’s of the same subject. Some people feel older art nudes are porn, some don’t. I think for some people even during those days, the paintings were either ‘porn’ or ‘not porn’. There is a classical tradition of picturing the human form that dates back to - hey! The time of Xenophon! LOL. Actually well before that.

It’s probably fairly evident to most people that there is a difference, and that a classical depiction of the human form could be considered to not be porn.

I don’t actually begrudge people the right to make a living, but I do actually think there are other things people can do than be a ‘topless model’ or do ‘porn’. I think the draw is that one can make more money than say, flipping burgers. Some people look at both options and say, ‘I would rather flip burgers’, because they think that while the other options might make more money right now, another longer term plan might be better, and not involve closing off so many other avenues to them - most people realize that such careers are going to interfere with a lot of other goals, since not everyone is quite so open minded and tolerant as all us wonderful people here.

Katie is the media darling in England, not sure why, but my guess is that she is being presented as sort of a hero for the common man. Or woman. ‘Salt of the earth’, and all that. Once someone is popular in the media, anyone who doesn’t jump up and down with delight at everything they do is pretty unpopular :)[/QUOTE]

Actually she isnt “the media darling” in England.She gets her fair share of bad press.
Im fairly confident that Katie is pleased that she chose not to “flip burgers”.Can I gather as well SLC that you are now acknowledging that there is a difference between being a porn star and a topless model?

[Sakura]

You know… in a world where a pretty face can get you only so far (and rarely does pretty=smart stereotypically… how many pretty girls are ever taken seriously or given an ounce of respect until they have proven themselves over and over again?) … methinks Katie has played her cards well… I mean she could have “flipped burgers” but she did not… she could have settled for the position of a trophy wife, but she did not… She kept her power, and did what she did… nobody forced her… there was no pimp, or abusive husband to make her get up on a stage for a crowd of oglers to get their jollies. She took her own clothes off, made lots of money doing it… that is/was her professional life… If she wants to ride in her private “normal” life so be it… Who the hell are we to judge her?

[slc2]

I don’t care what else she does, I was only discussing her ability to ride in the Olympics any time soon, everyone seems to have assumed I view her other activities as anything other than mildly amusing and easy joke material. I don’t actually feel anything more complicated than that about it. I don’t care for her clothing line. I find the riding coats to be amusing, made out of poorly chosen fabric that doesn’t drape well, and poorly tailored.

I simply don’t see her riding very well right now. For someone who has ‘ridden since she was six’, she’s actually very awkward, rough, tense, and out of synch with her horse. She has a long way to go. So do most of the rest of us, of course.

Well evidently she has quite an empire, that includes attempts to be elected to a government position, singing debuts, and a great many other attempts at accumulating wealth.

As far as finally being newly enlightened as to that particular distinction, it remains knowledge that I don’t see much advantage to acquiring. For some reason, it doesn’t seem to have too much to do with my daily life and fundamental responsibilities - one of which is showing up fully dressed for most of the occasions of my life. Some of us really do need to concentrate on that and make sure it happens very reliably. Both for the safety and mental health of others, as well as other practical reasons.

[Ambrey]

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I have a suggestion. Don’t try to guess what I think. You’re not very good at it, LOL.[/QUOTE]

Um, yeah, whatever. All I said was that her comments supported your POV that there are people who view nudity as obscene. Don’t believe I ever said I knew “what you think.” I really thought you were arguing just for the sake of argument here.

And in fact I haven’t read any of the porn vs. topless model discussion very carefully, because besides not being about horses (the subject I come here to read about), it’s also not very interesting. It just reminded me of that conversation.

[Coreene]

Then again, everyone could benefit from at least one good pole dance in their lives!

[slc2]

in the bulletin board world.

[Ambrey]

[QUOTE=Coreene;3759993]
Then again, everyone could benefit from at least one good pole dance in their lives! ;)[/QUOTE]

Everyone could benefit from a good pole bending session in their lives.

(just to keep it horse related).

[narcisco]

I’m kind of with Will Rogers on this one:

“I never expected to see the day when girls would get [cell phone radiation] in the places they do now.”

[egontoast]

don’t care what else she does, I was only discussing her ability to ride in the Olympics any time soon

Nope. That’s not what you said.

[mbm]

here is what i find interesting… here we are talking about someone doing something to make dressage more popular - and then on the other hand we have a whole slew of folks here doing their darndest to make sure dressage appears to be full of b***es and b####rds - who refuse to live and let live and seem to feel that it is their role in life to police what people say/feel etc.

in other words - those of you that feel it is up to you to police these boards - you are really just making your own self look bad and giving dressage a bad name to boot

[Sakura]

@mbm;3761873

here is what i find interesting… here we are talking about someone doing something to make dressage more popular - and then on the other hand we have a whole slew of folks here doing their darndest to make sure dressage appears to be full of b***es and b####rds - who refuse to live and let live and seem to feel that it is their role in life to police what people say/feel etc.

in other words - those of you that feel it is up to you to police these boards - you are really just making your own self look bad and giving dressage a bad name to boot

You know… When Venus and Serena Williams first walked out onto the tennis court in their nontraditional tennis garb the very first time… I wonder how the tennis world took it… Granted they are unarguably better athletes than Katie Price, but none the less bucking the stuffy trends seemed to work in their favor… Time for dressage to follow suit?

[slc2]

Nobody has any trouble being a player if they score like a player. New people are welcomed into dressage all the time. They don’t have to be anything specific, Balkenhol was a farm boy and a policeman.

[goeslikestink]

actually slc2 she has and does get high scores she competed at one of great britian
biggest well known shows hickstead is the south of englands all round jumping course
but also has dressage she came 6th
now before you say she came last as in 6th place it doesnt matter she was up there with the best and got in the placing and 6th place is good better than not being placed at all

also her trianer andrew gould is like is a an exceptional well thought of trianer
and also has international standings and proven carreer
if how ever you would like your vendetter to either andrew i will willingly give you an email addy
if however you would like to take it up with katie then i will also give you
an email addy for her

and i will tell you this they do read and wll responed to your email ok

now as you keep genralising and putting people in clumps and have been riding for over 50 yrs of which you say quite often then that puts you about 90 yrs old so perhaps your not up with the new times as people have moved on a bit since topless or nudity was a sin or being pregnant
and theres more porn that you see nowadays even on tv and films and i dont mean top shelf books videos or mags but in gerneral like fatal attraction film with m douglas type films or the other one with m douglas and demi moore i cant think of the title but
people have moved on with the times same to as to swearng in films etc

katie is entitled to have a hobby like you or me and she choses dressage becuase she prefers that to jumping horses or eventing and is doing well
she has the money she has the support she has a decent trianer and she has more than one horse she can afford to go all the way to the top and if olympics are her ambition
or goals then she has every right to reach that goal

[Ambrey]

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Nobody has any trouble being a player if they score like a player. New people are welcomed into dressage all the time. They don’t have to be anything specific, Balkenhol was a farm boy and a policeman.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, right. That’s why when someone posted a freestyle to Britney Spears the board practically had a collective heart attack.

[slc2]

Just because someone doesn’t like Brittney Spear’s music, doesn’t mean they are causing dressage a problem, are fossilized, conservative, resistant to change, stuffy or whatever else you may be suggesting their shortcomings are.

Fact is, many music critics and journalists also occasionally suggest that Ms. Spears is not exactly doing anything terribly brilliant or new or creative. In fact, it is not rare to hear her music actually satirized or even ridiculed.

In fact, I think a lot of people don’t like Spear’s music because it isn’t new and different enough, because it isn’t innovative, precisely because it is stuffy, conservative and fossilized. Some people don’t like her public image, I could care less, I don’t even keep track.

I also don’t like Amy Winehouse, for the same reason. Dull as dishwater for me. Dressed up lounge lizard. Derivative, repetitive, predictable, already been done.

I DO like Beyonce and a few other very commercialized talents, just not those other people. And for me, watching a freestyle with some screeching pixie like Spears singing the lead is almost as appealing as a software upgrade. I’m glad the judges can get through it. Alcohol can work miracles.

[Donella]

What looks bad is someone who comes to dressage and says " I am going to the olympics, anyone can if they ride enough". I think that trivializes those who have succeeded in getting there or getting to the top of their sport. Getting to that level is not something that “anyone can do”, even with fistfulls of money. Sorry girlfriend.

The way she presents herself in the saddle is very unappealing as well. She obviously see’s it as another chance to exhibit herself. In all of the pictures she has more makeup on than the local whore, her hair is flying around, her horses mouth is gaping. She looks as trashy on the horse as she does off. Her riding video makes her appear as a begginer who likely doesn’t have the balance to sit the trot. Her riding clothes are tacky. Money doesn’t buy good taste obviously lol.

I am 28, I don’t have a problem with showing some skin or whatever this girls deal is, and I dont have a problem with bucking tradition a bit…at all! But her whole thing is just somewhat humerous and hard to take seriously or respect.

[Ambrey]

SLC, I suspect the entire point just sped by you so fast you never even noticed it was there.

[FillySire]

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You know… When Venus and Serena Williams first walked out onto the tennis court in their nontraditional tennis garb the very first time… I wonder how the tennis world took it… Granted they are unarguably better athletes than Katie Price, but none the less bucking the stuffy trends seemed to work in their favor… Time for dressage to follow suit?[/QUOTE]

I don’t think Mr. Williams would appreciate you comparing his well-brought-up daughters to the uncultured and promiscuous Katie Price. The furor over KP is not about how she rides or looks, but more so about her enduring disgraceful behavior and abhorrent past. She is not the role model that I want my daughters to look up to.:no:

[Coreene]

Stink, I love you - you go, girl!