killing buttercups

[QUOTE=Mrs.ChickenBritches;5639394]
I would love to know how to get rid of blackberries! It has to be non-toxic to horses though because I dont have anywhere to keep my gelding other than his paddock right now. I tried Round-up that said it was for blackberries. They just laughed.[/QUOTE]

Get a fjord…seriously, the Fjord eats them, plus the nettle and the thistle… He’s weird…but I guess thousands of years of surviving in harsh conditions in Norway took away their sense of taste…and pain apparently…

Personally, I like the blackberries, I get enough to have for breakfast in my oatmeal every day…a freezer full for the winter! But mine are contained to two small areas…

Yes, a surfactant and what someone termed a “sticker” is the same thing. It’s basicly a soapy, non-toxic liquid added to the herbicide spray.

When I sprayed the buttercups at my place they were tall and in full bloom. The milestone killed every single one of them, and most other weeds too. It killed weeds that survived Roundup.

With a tow-behind sprayer I wouldn’t worry about using a dye as the boom gives you a wide enough overlap that you can simply crisscross small paddocks using fence posts as guides for your lines. I suppose if you are ambitious enough you could spot spray with a handheld or backpack sprayer but you will miss a lot of small plants.

And the manure from my horses only goes back to the fields so I’m not worried about it being used on plants for human consumption. Of course, one of my horses does look like he’s ready for the smoke house! Just kidding…

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I believe I have read that buttercups thrive in acidic soil, so lime might be the best cure? (That’s my plan, anyway…just mowed down buttercups yesterday and pondered this same issue.) We have had trouble finding anyone to lime our “small” pastures because the big companies won’t come here for such a small job and the lawn care places won’t do anything this big. :rolleyes:

But I think we’ll have to bite the bullet and do it ourselves (by hand or rig up a spreader). Hoping that will help, because no way we can get in here to mow/spray or anything when they are < 3" tall. Not to mention I would really prefer not to use herbicide if I can avoid it.

[QUOTE=foggybok;5641003]
Get a fjord…seriously, the Fjord eats them, plus the nettle and the thistle… He’s weird…but I guess thousands of years of surviving in harsh conditions in Norway took away their sense of taste…and pain apparently…

Personally, I like the blackberries, I get enough to have for breakfast in my oatmeal every day…a freezer full for the winter! But mine are contained to two small areas…[/QUOTE]

I would love to get a fjord! Mr.CB most likely would kill me though. I wouldn’t mind the blackberries so much but when we bought this place last year they had completely taken over and are well entrenched. I lot of digging has kept the ones in the paddock manageable but elsewhere on the property…ugh. Some days I wish I could just set the whole place on fire.:wink:

I will look into the Crossbow stuff that has been mentioned for the non-horse areas.

well, crossbow is just 2-4-D and another herbicide for woody plants. The problem is that the places where buttercups and blackberries thrive are often wet soils. And Crossbow is specifically labeled NOT TO BE USED NEAR WETLANDS. The stuff is persistent, is mhighly toxic to fish and other aquatic and amphibious species- so go ahead and kill all your spring peepers and other beneficial animals that keep your mosquito and midge population down.

Milestone persists in your horse’s manure and creates “killer compost” that will negatively affect ornamentals, many species of trees and almoist all vegetasbles you try and grow in it.

I had a QH like your fjord once. I called the vet out to look at the tiny ulcers he had on his gums and the vet said they were from the blackberry thorns when he was eating the young shoots and the berries.

Once buttercups arrive, are they there to stay? We’ve never had a buttercup issue until this year. We got SO MUCH RAIN this spring that the darn things took over :no: I was hoping to just mow the suckers down, but it doesn’t sound like that will work. Grr

Force her to marry Prince Humperdink…

Ahhhh!! Princess Bride reference WINS! Mare-widge is what bwings us togevver today!

I like to curse the buttercups like the old hag does in the movie: “Filth, putrescence!”

Buttercups?

Or bitterweed?

My donkeys will begin to snack on the buttercups after they have wilted from Crossbow.

What kind of dye do people use? One of the things that discourages me from spraying is not knowing where I have already sprayed. Silly, but … Anyhow, I’d love to know what to use and where to get it.

Maybe bot a good idea to let the donkey eat those.

My dad told me some time ago that while the plant is fresh and juicy, animals (we were talking cattle tho) had no problem avoiding them, but one sprayed would eat them. And get very sick from it.

That’s what I’m afraid of – mountains of dead or dying buttercups and no place to put them. On a separate thread I asked about good attachments for my new tractor – maybe something that will drag and pile the buttercups is in order.

Though, Alagirl, I heard something a bit different – that the buttercups had to DRY to lose the noxious taste. I can’t even get my socks dry this year in WA. I think I have a bit of leeway before the sun and lovely weather makes anything like hay out of our buttercups!

I am concerned, actually, about our horses resorting to eating them due to lack of alternatives. I know that horses can be very selective, and they don’t really need to be able to grab huge mouthfuls of lush perfect grass. In fact it’s better that they don’t. But some of my piggy horses may decide that nosing amongst the buttercups for the few wisps of grass is less desirable than eating the offenders… :frowning:

[QUOTE=Mrs.ChickenBritches;5641500]
Some days I wish I could just set the whole place on fire.;)[/QUOTE]

Well… in our area that is one of the options. If your area allows ag burning it might be an option for you as well. My neighbor burned a fence line worth of blackberries one year.

(cllane’s other half here)

Buttercups, they suck, but I’ve got them down to a science now I think.

#1, like someone said, they are an indicator to a point. The like wet acidic soil, so first, get soil samples done. My results this spring showed very good nutriend levels, but low pH in some areas of the pasture. Ag lime will fix that problem and help the grass outcompete the weeds.

#2, from my days with the USDA Ag Research Service, buttercups to produce a chemical that keeps some plants from growing near them. I don’t remember details, but I remember doing bioassays against grasses with the extracts. Point being, when they get dense enough, they may keep the grass out on their own.

#3, 2,4-D is your friend. I applied by hand, but for a reason. We have a large tractor mounted sprayer, but I wanted to be selective on the first pass. I used a backpack sprayer and ~2 pints of concentrate. The 2,4-D I used was only 2,4-D, it did not have any additional chemicals. If I remember right, the environmental half life of 2,4-D is ~9-10 days, so it is not very persistant. Lucky for me, I have a great entemologist at work that helps me with this stuff.

Most of the broadleaf herbicides are based on 2,4-D but add an extra compound to increase effectiveness. I have 2.5 gallons of Grazon Next that I was going to apply with the tractor to finish up treating the weeds, but… no rain. 2,4-D is ok to apply on pasture w/o grazing restriction when used IAW the label/directions.

to sum it up:

  • get soil tested (cheap)
  • use 2,4-D
  • adjust pH and fertilizer to let grass out compete weeds.

So…how much of a PITA is it to spray these suckers by hand? We do not have a tow-behind sprayer (can you rent one?) and I have about 3 acres of pasture I’d like to tackle…:-\

Normally, lime would be applied in the fall, before the rains and the growing season. I have some buttercups appearing under one of my fence lines. Might it be helpful to apply some lime to that area now, or is it better to just wait?

[QUOTE=Mrs.ChickenBritches;5641500]
I would love to get a fjord! Mr.CB most likely would kill me though. I wouldn’t mind the blackberries so much but when we bought this place last year they had completely taken over and are well entrenched. I lot of digging has kept the ones in the paddock manageable but elsewhere on the property…ugh. Some days I wish I could just set the whole place on fire.:wink:

I will look into the Crossbow stuff that has been mentioned for the non-horse areas.[/QUOTE]

You’re close by, give me the address and you’ll find him in your field tomorrow! :wink: If you just find him, your husband can’t be mad…:slight_smile: C’mon, how can you resist this face?

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Edited to add: Just came in from a very therapeutic session of buttercup mowing…I know it won’t work, but it gives me great satisfaction to mow them down…too bad I couldn’t get to most of them becasue the ground is way too wet…

Shredder MCPA by Winfield - It Works Guaranteed

I finally found a product that kills Creeping and Tall Buttercup. Recommended to me by Clark County Washington Noxious Weed Control. I use Shredder MCPA by Winfield. I got it at our local Wilco store. I use 6 ounces for a 4 gallon backpack sprayer. This amount is on page 5 of the label. It took a few days to do a 5 acre field. I used to look at the pasture and it was a yellow sea of tall buttercup. I sprayed last year in the spring then again in the fall. This year I have to walk the pasture to find buttercup to spot treat. The label advises only 2 sprayings a year. I use a rainfast time of 6 hours. Per the label keep livestock off the area for 7 days. It sometimes kills the clover, which I try and keep, if I spray an entire patch. But Given the choice I’ll kill some clover to get to the buttercup. It’s killed any weed I’ve sprayed. It hasn’t harmed the grass. The label says 1/4 pint to 3 or 4 gallons. Again, I use 6 ounces for a 4 gallon backpack sprayer. I add a healthy squirt of dawn dish soap as a surfactant, so it sticks to leaves better, when the sprayer is almost full. Any sooner and you’ll have foam coming out the top of the sprayer.
I think it is killing the bulrush also. It’s hard to tell for sure as I used Roundup on some of it. Bulrush take a bit longer to see if it’s dying.
Sprayed on a warm day, you’ll see buttercup wilt maybe later that evening, for sure the next day. I looked out at that pasture this morning. I don’t see any yellow… Nice…

[QUOTE=Mrs.ChickenBritches;5639394]
I would love to know how to get rid of blackberries! It has to be non-toxic to horses though because I dont have anywhere to keep my gelding other than his paddock right now. I tried Round-up that said it was for blackberries. They just laughed.[/QUOTE]

ooops, I just realized I had posted already on this thread because it’s old…

never mind… :slight_smile: