You posted the original post 3ish days ago, How has your training been going so far? Do you have him tethered at all times you can watch him and crated when you can’t? Have you been able to negate any marking since then?
Have you tried different brands or sizes of belly bands? Since you should be using them when he’s out of the crate and you are able to supervise him you can just readjust them if they start to slip as well.
I had no “tone”. Not being rude, not yelling. THIS IS YELLING!
Belly band needed to be a bit tighter then if it was slipping! 
You did seem to blow off the advice and concern you were given - perhaps he is anxious because of the two male labs in the same household and feels he needs to mark to show them he is a tough guy.
It has gone on for 8 years (and you have allowed it to continue) so it is going to be hard to correct. I will repeat without “tone” - you need to readjust that belly band and start at the beginning as if he was a pup and not housebroken.
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Im sorrY … I guess I should have explained further … The belly band thing yes looked bad … But it would also kind of wriggle its way down to his butt and not do a damn thing!! But I will say this smoofox … Your tone is what I mean … Kinda of a cross between rude and yelling ., I haven’t blown anyone off …!!![/QUOTE]
I had that problem as well with an intact male Corgi. Long body, short legs = wiggle walk and the BB would just slide back. Plus, he marked copiously so the band would not hold all of it. I could follow the trail of pee.
What I did was monitored intake and took him out myself. I did not allow him to mark, even outdoors. It took 2 days for him to realize he had to PEE outdoors or he was going to go back in the crate. He had 3 opportunities to empty himself. If he marked, rather than urinated, he went back in his crate and we tried again in an hour. If he urinated, he came in on lead, stayed on lead and was still not permitted to mark or be loose, but not in a crate. He got it figured out with a bit of me making sure I did my part.
I would give treats every time for urinating outside for a while as well. and GOOD treats, special treats. Make sure he knows that when he goes outside that is going to give him the yummiest bestest goodies ever, and starts going inside (since he’ll be tethered you’ll always be able to catch him just as he’s starting) will get a quick correction (clap NO) and whisked outside where yummy treats await if he pees outside.
I’m not sure if trying to eliminate any marking would be best or not. In some ways, I could see maybe it could help to make him stop thinking about marking so much, and yet in some ways if marking is so important to him it may become agitating to him and most male dogs lift their legs to pee almost all the time, and allowing him to mark outside as much as he wants may give him less desire to do it inside. However, that is something that you may want to play around with to see what seems to work better.
Belly bands are simply a means to hold a liner in place. You can use the human incontinence liners vs. the ones specifically made for dogs. They are a lot cheaper and come in a variety of absorbency levels. The most absorbent ones can handle anything a dog can dish out if you change it a few times per day.
The thing about the belly bands is the dog doesn’t like to pee on itself so it helps to deter the behavior. I got two bands, one to wear and one to wash. Use something like a Poise pad to absorb the pee. Altermyne’s suggestions are very good.
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The thing about the belly bands is the dog doesn’t like to pee on itself so it helps to deter the behavior. I[/QUOTE]
That’s the premise. My Corgi didn’t care if he was soaking wet with pee. Perhaps because he had such a heavy coat, or because he was 8 when I got him and he was used to smelling like urine. Perhaps something else. But at any rate, he just didn’t give a dam* about peeing himself.
It truly took a combination of him learning that he needed to PEE outside because he became full too quickly again if he didn’t empty himself, me being vigilant (that never ceased) and still allowing him small opportunities to mark (natural behavior). He was never as reliable as any of the intact male dogs I’ve had that I raised, but he eventually no longer needed to be on lead in the house.
OP, I know this is probably not what you want to hear, but I would crate this dog a lot. I would be setting the alarm on my phone or a kitchen timer to remind me to take him out and I’d also make sure his intake is sufficient that he NEEDS to get outside to do his business. If you are at all familiar with clicker training that might help the process to go faster, but is not necessary. The reason I’d use a crate a lot is that it then becomes “his” responsibility to either live in the flood or hold himself (which is really what you need him to do).
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Belly bands are simply a means to hold a liner in place. You can use the human incontinence liners vs. the ones specifically made for dogs. They are a lot cheaper and come in a variety of absorbency levels. The most absorbent ones can handle anything a dog can dish out if you change it a few times per day.[/QUOTE]
The problem with “handle anything a dog can dish out” is that it is not teaching him to hold himself. It is just protecting the environment. So if this happens to be a dog who doesn’t care if he’s dirty, it is management, not training.
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The problem with “handle anything a dog can dish out” is that it is not teaching him to hold himself. It is just protecting the environment. So if this happens to be a dog who doesn’t care if he’s dirty, it is management, not training.[/QUOTE]
No kidding. It’s been 8 years, you actually think she is going to train the dog now? I am telling her how to protect her house just like I protect mine when I have a client here who wants nothing more than to spread his scent on every corner of my home.
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No kidding. It’s been 8 years, you actually think she is going to train the dog now? I am telling her how to protect her house just like I protect mine when I have a client here who wants nothing more than to spread his scent on every corner of my home.[/QUOTE]
backs away with hands up in front
Ok ok ok…just making sure the OP knows this is management not training, since (as you say), she doesn’t seem to want to train the dog.
Jeeze.
It depends on the dog. I inherited 3 neutered male dogs when my parents passed. All 3 had house training issues because as my parents aged they weren’t good about letting them out and enforcing house training. The belly bands worked on these dogs because they didn’t like to be wet. Altermyne’s corgi didn’t care so they didn’t work on him. But its worth a shot.
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It depends on the dog. I inherited 3 neutered male dogs when my parents passed. All 3 had house training issues because as my parents aged they weren’t good about letting them out and enforcing house training. The belly bands worked on these dogs because they didn’t like to be wet. Altermyne’s corgi didn’t care so they didn’t work on him. But its worth a shot.[/QUOTE]
truth. The worst thing that can happen is that he will still pee in the belly band, and you are not any further behind.
have you had his testosterone levels checked?
dog neuters can go wrong, just like gelding can go wrong
