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KWPN Leads at the Olympics

Sport Horse Breeding
#41

I personally am going to Holstein and France to get them… :slight_smile: That comment is funny… You are going to Holstein??.. You must mean to say, you are going to Germany. Holstein is not a country.

Personally I would prefer the KWPN horses. and about the reason there are so many more in the Olympics… Well they are there because the best riders all over the world want to ride the best horses, so that alone explains it all. Clearly the KWPN horses are the best, but the Holsteiners are pretty good also. (They are second best)

#42

[QUOTE=why not;6497660]
If the US had sent their best horses (Cristallo and Cedric) Holstein would have scores far better. LOL[/QUOTE]

Uhh… and if Hickstead (KWPN) was still alive then what… and if Totilas (KWPN) was still with Edward Gal… What then?

Nice try;)

#43

Actually, they are first best, and have been for some time. #1 studbook for showjumpers, while breeding 1/4 the mares.

http://www.wbfsh.org/files/Studbook_ranking_jumping_august.pdf

Its actually not even close. Of the top 25 mare families in the world for the production of sport horses, yup, you guessed it, 12 of them are from Holstein. Holstein might not be a country, but it is a region in Germany. So one can go to Holstein, I go every year. Holland certainly produces many great sport horses, but the facts just don’t support your statements.

Tim

#44

[QUOTE=RyTimMick;6568727]
Actually, they are first best, and have been for some time. #1 studbook for showjumpers, while breeding 1/4 the mares.

http://www.wbfsh.org/files/Studbook_ranking_jumping_august.pdf

Its actually not even close. Of the top 25 mare families in the world for the production of sport horses, yup, you guessed it, 12 of them are from Holstein. Holstein might not be a country, but it is a region in Germany. So one can go to Holstein, I go every year. Holland certainly produces many great sport horses, but the facts just don’t support your statements.

Tim[/QUOTE]

I guess to each their own, but they can’t be best otherwise there would have been more of them in the Olympics instead of the KWPN horses. It doesn’t matter how many are bred each year. The top riders just want to win and will ride the top horses at the top events, no matter if they are from Holland, the USA or Saudi Arabia and the top horses are apparantly for the majority KWPN horses.

#45

The KWPN is in ascendancy in great measure because they are using German sires so extensively - Holsteiners to help the jumping, and Hanoverian and Oldenburg or Westphalen to improve the rideability/temperament.
Who has been the # 1 Sport Horse breed 10 of the past 12 years? Hanoverian.

#46

[QUOTE=Sunnydays;6568856]
The KWPN is in ascendancy in great measure because they are using German sires so extensively - Holsteiners to help the jumping, and Hanoverian and Oldenburg or Westphalen to improve the rideability/temperament.
Who has been the # 1 Sport Horse breed 10 of the past 12 years? Hanoverian.[/QUOTE]

Yes you are correct that the KWPN is in ascendancy. (or translated in simple words “Superiority”) and it is true that part of the reason for that is the inclusion of top proven stallions from other registries into the KWPN studbook. I think that is smart and some smart Germans (Like Schockemöhle) are now doing the same and buying KWPN stallions to improve their breeds. Many of the top stallions are approved in several registries, and many of them are KWPN bred. For right now the KWPN is the top horse breed. Good link to read is http://kwpn-na.org/news/index_details.php?unid=1920

#47

[QUOTE=RichardC;6568699]
I personally am going to Holstein and France to get them… :slight_smile: That comment is funny… You are going to Holstein??.. You must mean to say, you are going to Germany. Holstein is not a country.

Personally I would prefer the KWPN horses. and about the reason there are so many more in the Olympics… Well they are there because the best riders all over the world want to ride the best horses, so that alone explains it all. Clearly the KWPN horses are the best, but the Holsteiners are pretty good also. (They are second best)[/QUOTE]

No…I am not going to Germany in general to get the top jumpers. I’m going to Holstein…period.

Your attempt to divide the two shows your lack of knowledge. Your 5 post greenie alter will not get you taken seriously either.

#48

Lets not forget the Trakehner influence from such greats as Duruto,Marco Polo, Gribaldi and Partout to mention a few

#49

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6569029]
No…I am not going to Germany in general to get the top jumpers. I’m going to Holstein…period.

Your attempt to divide the two shows your lack of knowledge. Your 5 post greenie alter will not get you taken seriously either.[/QUOTE]

Ohhhh, dont hate. Just be happy and enjoy your horse. I will stick with my favorite breed and you can love yours. We all really know inside who the best horses are. You don’t have to admit :slight_smile:

…and about buying a horse in Holstein is like saying I am going to Friesland (Where the Friesian originally came from) to buy a Friesian when they are all over Holland now. Just like the Holsteiner that originated from the Holstein area are now everywhere else in Germany also. I think you may not know so much about Europe or their horses as you seem to portray… and yes I am actually from Europe.

#50

popcorn time…

#51

[QUOTE=RichardC;6569903]
Ohhhh, dont hate. Just be happy and enjoy your horse. I will stick with my favorite breed and you can love yours. We all really know inside who the best horses are. You don’t have to admit :slight_smile:

…and about buying a horse in Holstein is like saying I am going to Friesland (Where the Friesian originally came from) to buy a Friesian when they are all over Holland now. Just like the Holsteiner that originated from the Holstein area are now everywhere else in Germany also. I think you may not know so much about Europe or their horses as you seem to portray… and yes I am actually from Europe.[/QUOTE]

You’re right , I know nothing about Europe or their horses. Not taking your greenie alter bait.

#52

Smart…

and yes I am a Greenie on this Forum

#53

Saying your from Europe, and you know all about Europe is like saying I am from American and know everything about Vancouver. Just because Holland is in Europe and their studbook cover the entire state of Holland doesn’t on any level mean they are like Germany or any of its many “Regional” studbooks. Different models, with different history’s. Yes, they both reside in Europe, but Europe doesn’t have a good history of all getting along. Europe shares a continent, boarders, and mostly a currency(and only for a little over 10 years). Outside of that, not much.

So, where in Europe are you from?

Tim

#54

Born in Amsterdam, but also lived in Stuttgart for many years. One side of the family is Dutch and the other originally German. Our borders are pretty much non-existing, like going from on state into another. Language, yes that is somewhat different, but most Dutch speak German also or enough to understand each other.

#55

This is a great thread…I have a question relating to the numbers the registries produce as there have been some comments on the AB/Canadian Warmblood sales thread. Does anyone know what is predominantly done with the offspring that fall short of the goal in Europe in each registry? In addition, what are the numbers, in general, from each registry that potentially are slaughtered due to being classed sub-par? I would think and have heard, based on the success of the small studbooks like Holst and SF, that their numbers are far fewer than the bigger studbooks/registries. Can anyone comment?

#56

Welcome to the bulletin board Richard C, and respect for your Patriotism. We don’t have the same breeding culture here in the US, so we wave many flags. So as you say, we all have our favorites.

Tim :wink:

#57

And the Holsteiners that medalled in eventing are at least 75% TB. :slight_smile:

#58

It is interesting to me that almost every KWPN dressage horse that is in the top 100 comes predominately from jumper lines. The horses that are on this list are the result of breeding trends from 10-15 years ago. I think it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 10 years as the Hanoverians put more emphasis on their jumper lines (also in regards to breeding dressage horses). To me it seems the KWPN have moved more away from this trend…?

Leah, I would also like to know the answer to that question!

#59

[QUOTE=vineyridge;6570439]
And the Holsteiners that medalled in eventing are at least 75% TB. :)[/QUOTE]

Not just “medalled” Viney…GOLD Medals.

No matter how much you want to calculate blood percentages ,they are in fact Holsteiners and not TB 's. Quit trying to take credit for other folks breeding.

#60

[QUOTE=RichardC;6570011]
Smart…

and yes I am a Greenie on this Forum[/QUOTE]

I’ll give you smart…

Let’s just assume you are right about more people liking to ride KWPN horses better.

Lets also consider the fact that the KWPN produces anywhere from 2-4 times the Number of horses than any other studbook. They register almost 4 times the amount of foals the Holsteiner Verband does every year.

Since we are assuming your stance that people like to ride KWPN horses better…that would mean that more riders are accumulating points for the KWPN , YET THEY ARE NOT THE # 1 STUDBOOK in THE WORLD . They provided more entries in the OLYMPIC GAMES yet they were left off the individual podium with no medal.

Maybe you should recognize the fact that a studbook that is producing 4 times less horses than you… is kicking your ASS ! This would be “smart”…

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