Lameness Help

Bone scan sometimes isn’t helpful especially for more chronic conditions, in my experience. I’d X-ray or ultrasound the neck. I would block both fronts (one at a time). I would do a rectal ultrasound to look at the lower lumbar and SI. Probably would just ultrasound from poll to tail while I was at it (and have done all of these things and the cost is not that scary compared to what you have spent on the bone scan etc.).

It’s hard to say from the videos you have shown, but I wouldn’t be surprised at bilateral lameness or an axial skeletal issue. Maybe MRI territory for the front feet, but I would not start there considering that I think there are other avenues that were not totally explored yet.

For reference, when my horse injured his SI, he fell down in front more than once, under different circumstances. Was also falling out behind like in this video. We injected the SI and it didn’t do anything. Once I really got someone to focus on diagnostics, we found the issue in his SI was a type that would not have gotten long term relief from steroids. Plus steroids made him colic. So we switched to Pro Stride and Adequan, I moved for 6 months to get him outside on better footing and for many more hours per day, and then we finally got somewhere. (Until he tried to kill himself in a totally unrelated incident, of course, which we are still recovering from).

The vets were telling me he was fine, nothing wrong with him when various tests all came back negative, and he didn’t look lame. I was like, HE IS AN EXPERIENCED 1.30m JUMPER WHO IS FALLING DOWN AT THE WALK AND TROT WHEN YOU EXAMINE HIM! SOMETHING IS WRONG AND I DON’T WANT TO DIE!

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I’m one of those people that don’t think chiropractic really works. I’d get a massage therapist in to evaluate her muscle development. And, how low in Vitamin E was she? Only curious as my horse is on 8000 units a day to keep him in recommended range.

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Because it sounds like you went through something similar-- do you have suggestions on dealing with the fact that this is so intermittent that the vets haven’t been able to observe it? How do I get someone to focus on diagnostics when they can’t see anything to diagnose? How was it eventually diagnosed? The tests you mentioned in the first paragraph, or just by trying the things you mentioned in your third paragraph?

And good (“good”) to know that I am not the only one who has been told that everything’s just fine!

She was at 187 (not sure units), where 200-1000 is normal. I don’t think we’ve retested her.

This sounds like collateral ligament or something else soft tissue in the foot. It wouldn’t xray. Or just general bilateral foot pain.

I’ll say that my horse did the step-in-a-hole thing and the whole nine yards, but we really started digging when he came up head bobbing lame in front like yours did. The vet used a lameness locator and found a suspensory injury in the front, as well as some lameness “up high” in the hind. I suspect SI, cause racehorse, and also I know he has loose stifles (THAT he has had since I bought him. The rest has appeared over the years).

The general consensus is the horse might have some axial skeleton issues that we haven’t yet found, but that poor farrier work knocked him all out of whack. That plus stifle issues crept up to the SI and exacerbated the kissing spine, which made him dump all his weight on the front end and eventually pop the suspensory. With him hurting all over (We’d block one thing and something else would make the vet go hmmmmmm), he was just a big ball of compensation and couldn’t seem to keep his feet in all four corners.

Apologies to the OP for dropping my lameness question in here (and I hope you find answers for your horse!) but I’m going to do it anyway!

How quickly and how severely can poorly balanced hind hooves cause back soreness and hock lameness? Can it be only a few months or is it something that takes years?

TIA and sorry to hijack!

Well, it wasn’t my first rodeo with “performance problems”, but it took me basically having a meltdown in front of my vet for her to start turning into the methodical diagnostician I had known her to be. He was also having airway problems, so we were going down that rabbit hole simultaneously as it did contribute to his overall performance and my inability to get him stronger.

I had already decided to move for the winter with the horse anyway because we had a bad wildfire year plus COVID everything, and I was over it. He was either going to be rehabbed or he was going to be turned out, but I was also going somewhere that I could be outside.

We discovered his asthma, but they decided not to treat at that time but see how he would do with the location change. We also tested Vitamin E and Se, EPM, Lyme. He had recent full neck and back X-rays already from his pre-purchase. We did some blocking in the front with nothing found. We injected hocks and that got me nowhere except another colic (stopped steroids after that!). We started chiro with a very highly trained vet, and finally there was some improvement. On to something. He was so wound and spooky he was on Gastrogard for a couple of months.

We moved and I made an appointment with a vet recommended to me in the new area. I gave the history, and he did a basic exam for lameness and neuro, plus the lameness locator. Nothing significant. I said the next recommendation from my usual vet was rectal ultrasound. The chiro in the same practice also came out and recommended adding Sucralfate and trying to wean off the Gastrogard. Within a week of this change (just adding Sucralfate, still on GG), he was already a lot less spooky. Both vets had some questions about his lumbar images (he is very broad backed, and you couldn’t see much), so we decided to just ultrasound everything, starting dorsally and then going with the rectal ultrasound if nothing major found. These vets did not suspect hip, and they also ruled out RH suspensory with blocking and continuing the lameness locator. Interestingly, when we did SI compression (trying to stress the SIs) with the lameness locator, the output went from showing some asymmetries all WNL and unchanged with any other flexions to the soundest horse you’d ever seen. Made us all say hmmm.

First ultrasound confirmed neck was normal was was supraspinous ligament and SI ligaments. Did confirm L5-L6 was fused, noted possible minor changes to the joint at L1-2. They used the same radiologist as my usual vet, so images sent to him, and he said this was not uncommon and probably not the total answer.

Rectal ultrasound showed an acute injury had happened on the R SI and a bone spur was forming. Vet’s opinion was that steroid would only help that issue for a couple weeks maybe…like by the time you are actually back to work, no change from before. He recommended using Pro Stride to try to heal the articular surface eventually. Horse responded well to Pro Stride and I started being able to start the conditioning/rehab process for real. Horse was already enjoying the more turnout and better air part. I also kept supporting him with a good farrier, the chiro, and a good massage/structural integration practitioner. And I could control all of his nutrition and meds. We also had 65 acres to do some hacking out. With some ups and downs (because, horses), he was going the best he’d ever gone about a year later, including after moving back home and having to start asthma support.

IME, a few months. Mostly because it takes that long for feet to get that out of whack. It does depend heavily on the age of the horse, it’s job, conformation, stoicism, and general predispositions to issues.

Some horses cannot tolerate much deviation from their preferred balance, and others seem to not be bothered by atrocious trimming. Also, young horses seem to be able to work pretty hard before the compensation catches up with them.

My mare pronates behind. She tilts her feet to the outside. By the time end of a trim cycle it cam be quite pronounced and she will also develop puffy ankles and even be reluctant to canter. So I’d say any hoof angle problem can cause leg pain quickly.

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