I deal directly with the seller. No agent(s).
I pay the check directly to the seller. Seller has to pay the commission to whomever they have contracted to represent the horse…not me.
I transfer funds or deliver certified check only when I get the horse’s paperwork in hand to my satisfaction.
I do not know, I am not a lawyer. 
Maybe we will find out if there are ever any published outcomes or decisions re the Tarjan case.
The point made in other posts is extremely relevant - regardless of the legal parameters, who has the pocketbook and the time to pursue such cases? These problems are not police matters (unless certain lines are crossed, I do wonder about that in this one), so it’s up to people to defend themselves in civil court. But most of the time it would cost more to pursue it legally than the money lost.
Choosing well who to do business with is the most important protection.
The March date is for a motion to dismiss; https://applications.mypalmbeachclerk.com/eCaseView/search.aspx
But if there was a fraudulent sale in another business, say car dealerships, most people would take them to court.
I believe the reason many horse people don’t pursue a legal solution is that they don’t want to be perceived as a trouble maker.
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Yes, very true.
That , and the difficulty of finding a judge who understands enough to know, for example, that a horse advertised as ‘‘quiet’’ should not have ace in it’s blood sample !
This actually happened to a friend and client of mine.
Witnesses, who had previously employed the seller, attested in writing to the fact that the seller herself had previously refused to ride this horse on account of it’s behavior.
Another professional problem horse trainer stated in writing that the horse was too dangerous for him to ride.
Several people went to court and told the judge of their experience with the dangerous behavior of the horse.
The horse had severely injured a groom at the sellers property prior to the sale.
None of this mattered to the judge.
Rather than refunding the buyers $ and taking the horse back, the seller managed to get a respected (and besotted apparently) trainer who had NEVER SEEN THE HORSE to refute all evidence and to claim the horse was drugged in order to clip it (didn’t happen) and make the judge believe the problems with the horse were all created by the new owners incompetence.
It is VERY hard to dot every i and cross every t ( in this case the written statements were not ‘‘stat decs’’ I believe) and if you don’t, the evidence is worthless .
You then have the reputation of being a hopeless fool incapable of riding and of actually ruining the dud of a horse you bought from the big name crook who goes on to greater things 
This legal loophole approach is what the defendant in the topic of this thread is trying to do by claiming the deal was with the company, not with her. It might work too.
Though how many of us can develop and ride a horse like Carl or Charlotte? And I do agree that no one should spend that much for an unproven horse, especially when the 4 year old FEI class is equivalent to First level.
Yes and what they don’t ell you is the number of 4500 GBP horses they bought and sold because they didn’t turn out to be Valegros…
Today the GBP closed at 1.25 to the US dollar.
You can buy a lot of horses and find a winner somewhere in there for less than $900k. So for 4500GBP (5625USD) you could buy 160 horses.
Or buy just a few and train with Charlotte and Carl!
Merry Christmas!!!
There’s a very good December COTH article by breeder Maryanna Hayman:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/horsemans-forum-american-breeders-face-many-challenges
Where can you get even a nice weanling for $5625 USD? Look at the price of a stud fee for a good stallion and add up the costs just for one year.
ACTUAL USD/GBP rate; https://www.dailyfx.com/gbp-usd
Which means GBP4500 will cost you at least $6000 depending on what rate and charges the bank take.
Rates around 1.25 have not been seen for some time!
Horses are still cheap in Europe though, if you have a good eye for a bargain. Most of these bargains however are found by knowing somebody who knows somebody etc…
There are enough horses bred in Europe that breeders can afford to sell the less impressive youngsters for very little, because the get a lot more for the flashy ones.
There are more than a few trainers in the US who can start and develop horses as well as Carl Hester and Charlotte. CH and CJ have enjoyed amazing success with a once in a lifetime horse who brought their names to the forefront of international competition. Meanwhile, here in the US, good trainers keep working and producing good horses.
Er no. Carl has consistently had success with horses and riders for multiple decades.
Not saying there aren’t equally talented trainers in the US, but Carl for decades and Charlotte more recently have proven themselves as far more than “one hit wonders.” They consistently produce superb results with horse after horse - many of which would be considered less than international
quality by some buyers.
Yes, and now more people know who he is because of Valegro. No other horse in his barn catapulted him to such widespread recognition.
Maybe he’s more « mainstream » to general folks…
Because you didn’t knew him, doesn’t mean he wasn’t known.
But he’s been known in Europe and around since… well, a long time ago.
He went to 5 Olympics… from 1992 to the last ones.
And it wasn’t until last April that he did his first public clinic in the US. I knew of him before his wonderful success with Valegro, but many dressage people didn’t. Not everyone follows each nation’s international dressage riders, and when the only names heard for years in the press were Anky and Isabell, you’ll have to forgive people for not being aware of Carl prior to the 2012 London games. Now even my non-horsey cousins know about him, because of the New Yorker magazine article about Valegro.
Ummm no. They have developed many many normal (and nowadays better quality) horses to be top competitors.
Geez you guys ! YES we all agree Carl and Charlotte have developed nice horses. There’s no dispute so please stop disagreeing with something I didn’t say.
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