Lawsuit in Florida - alleged fraud in sale of Fabrege - Case settled - post #340

[Silverbridge]

But Ms. Peslar doesn’t appear to consider herself “wronged”, as I see it, following the lawsuit, and the events and info made public.

She likely said, "I need a new horse, and It needs to fit X and X and X criteria, and, I need it to be under a million. Her trainer said, “I think I know one”. Or, “I know someone who has horses to sell for people in that price range and fitting our criteria.”

And he went to his former business partner and asked what she had in the stable, and it’s likely SHE is the one who went, “OH YUMMY! A BUYER!”

And she made the horse fit the $900K budget through these shenanigans, after telling the seller that the horse couldn’t bring that kind of money. And so he and his lady/client went and rode the horse and loved the horse and made an offer. And they didn’t know about the shenanigans.

The shenanigans only meant the broker and her helpers (her father, and the guy in Belgium) pocketed pieces of the difference-- $600K. And the shenanigans brought a lawsuit on her, when the person who was told it was a $300K horse found out about the real sale price. Because people did talk amongst themselves and it got back to her.

But the person who spent the $900K got a horse, and she probably loves it, and it was probably $100K under budget.

She doesn’t care so much about the shenanigans, she’s loving her horse. I mean, she’s probably thinking, “Damn, I could have paid THAT MUCH less?” But she’s not super wounded because, that was what she had to spend. $900K. To most of us, $600 in a scheme is pretty damn wronged. To some people, it’s another life’s lesson and something to pay better attention to, next time around.

And her trainer who found the horse for “them” likely didn’t even know that the seller was being told the horse wasn’t worth their budget.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

But Endel did know, According to the one of the above post, right?

That’s the allegation brought forth in the lawsuit, that Endel knew. So how’s that going to play out for their relationship.

Ewwwww.

[Silverbridge]

I think the implication that Ots knew the whole story is just speculative?

What he probably did know was to whom the money was being wired. I am trying to think whether my trainer knew to whom the money was wired on the horse she found for me last summer. I think she did, if I remember right, the emails with the contract and bank info were sent to both of us. Me, because I needed it and her, just for her records for the commission. Now, mine was nowhere near these kinds of figures in this lawsuit. But it wasn’t the money you find in the sofa cushions, neither.

Ots should have noticed the bank info was not going to the person listed as owner with USEF and with a record of showing the horse. He should have seen who signed the contract. But, maybe he thought the reasons (whatever they were) for wiring the monty to the Belgian guy, were legit. And maybe he doesn’t look up all that stuff about the recorded history the way some of us do. And maybe Roffman had an excellent and believable story for why the contract was signed by the Belgian guy and not Alice Tarjan.

I didn’t see where there was info that he knew for sure about the overage.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

It’s in the lawsuit.

[keysfins]

@right horse at the right time

But Endel did know, According to the one of the above post, right?

That’s the allegation brought forth in the lawsuit, that Endel knew. So how’s that going to play out for their relationship.

Ewwwww.

IIRC, Ots was not named as a party in the case.

[keysfins]

@right horse at the right time

It’s in the lawsuit.

What is interesting is that Ots was not named as a defendant in the case, IIRC.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

@keysfins

What is interesting is that Ots was not named as a defendant in the case, IIRC.

It’s interesting. I’m no lawyer and I don’t play one on TV.
maybe she didn’t want any finger-pointing going on?

Perhaps she had the cooperation of him and Bethany? And that’s how they were able to prove it? So maybe she agreed not to name him?
Would love to know the whole story but suspect never will.

[TequilaMockingbird]

I had always assumed she had gotten Ots to cooperate.

[netg]

@TequilaMockingbird

I had always assumed she had gotten Ots to cooperate.

Same here - that maybe he didn’t realize what happened at the time, and they (he and Bethany) let her know when they realized, so she could have her evidence. It seemed like the info referenced in the lawsuit was only possible with buyer assistance.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

So he knew about it from the beginning, then feigned not knowing anything and alerted Bethany, Keeping his position with her, so to speak?
Or maybe he knew and was getting a cut, and when people started talking and figured it out, he and Bethany discussed and he decided which team he wanted to play on at that point?

All speculation on my part.

[SusanO]

Or maybe she didn’t sue Otts because she did not have a contractual relationship with him. Roffman was acting as her (AT’s) agent . I guess we will never know - except by the grapevine and I don’t run in those circles.

[OverandOnward]

@SusanO

Or maybe she didn’t sue Otts because she did not have a contractual relationship with him. Roffman was acting as her (AT’s) agent . I guess we will never know - except by the grapevine and I don’t run in those circles.

That’s my guess. A. Tarjan didn’t do any deals with Ots. Ots is Peslar’s problem. As it were.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

@OverandOnward

That’s my guess. A. Tarjan didn’t do any deals with Ots. Ots is Peslar’s problem. As it were.

But doesn’t that seem weird that her trainer wouldn’t have anything to do with it…and he used to be with caroline, and he’s out of it entirely? Did he know or suspect and want nothing to do with it as to not disturb his situation?

Hmmm!

my personal life is rather uninteresting.

[netg]

@right horse at the right time

But doesn’t that seem weird that her trainer wouldn’t have anything to do with it…and he used to be with caroline, and he’s out of it entirely? Did he know or suspect and want nothing to do with it as to not disturb his situation?

Hmmm!

my personal life is rather uninteresting.

Ok, the last line made me laugh.

I want to believe that his leaving the situation with Caroline right around then and his not being in the lawsuit plus info which seems like it would have come from him all mean he found out but wasn’t part of the actual deception and wanted no part of it.

I’m not naive enough to believe that’s the case without any type of evidence, so instead it’s a big question mark to me. But I want to believe the best simply out of hoping there’s only one really corrupt jerk here.

[Windermere]

Another lawsuit involving Caroline Roffman:

http://dressage-news.com/2018/04/11/dressage-rider-caroline-roffman-husband-benjamin-meredith-rick-rockefeller-silvia-sued-in-palm-beach-county-court-over-alleged-fraud-horse-sale/

[Caol_Ila]

These people just can’t stay out of court, can they?

[WildLittleWren]

Oh my

[2tempe]

Well it’s an interesting situation - Wonder when this happened. Wonder if the publicity on first sale caused this woman to look for a lawyer. Wonder how many others who feel they were “taken” will come out of woodwork. This is perhaps uglier as it include both CR and her husband. Sooner or later people’s reputations will catch up to them - one would think.

[TequilaMockingbird]

I’m sure there are lots of CR followers who still thinks she’s squeaky clean.

Can anyone find the actual lawsuit documents? The description on the news site is a little hard to follow on exact details.

[NJRider]

@TequilaMockingbird

I’m sure there are lots of CR followers who still thinks she’s squeaky clean.

Can anyone find the actual lawsuit documents? The description on the news site is a little hard to follow on exact details.

https://www.mypalmbeachclerk.com/courtrecords.aspx

It is easier to search by last name only (Roffman), if you type in the first and last name you will not get a hit unless you have it exactly as listed. Then click on dockets and documents. A great place to check before doing business with anyone in Wellington.