I know, I wasn’t really expecting logic to work on Palm Beach, so much as hoping it would show others that being a bully is not to be tolerated. :ambivalence:
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As usual Coth responses get me thinking, especially about the reasons given for their preferred way of leading. I just came to the realization that I don’t completely follow my own rules.
My horse can’t resist chewing the reins so lately I started to lead by holding the noseband. I still have the reins in both hands, but my right hand also has a slight hold on the noseband. He seems to walk better this way. I always ride alone so no one has seen me do this. FYI the noseband is obviously not very tight.
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I’m lazy, so if I’m riding with split reins and I get off, then I loop the “off rein” into the saddle horn (similar to how you’d tie it up to longe) and lead with the close rein.
If I’m riding with closed reins or riding english, then reins are in my hand, not over the neck.
Most of my horses I’ve had many many years and they’re all really broke and don’t really even need a lead rope if we’re working. They’ll follow me around the arena if I’m moving poles, or setting jumps, or whatever else. They also all ground tie. However, they’re also opportunists and I know from experience that if we’re done for the day and I’m heading back to the barn with reins up on the neck and not paying super close attention, they’ll try to sneak just out of reach and make a run for some grazing on the landscaped grass. :winkgrin:
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:lol: I’d respond but I’ve been run over by a skid loader and I can’t get up. Where’s that damn clapper when you need it.
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As both a rider and a handler, I have had horses separate themselves from me, go for a romp, and break reins/bridle parts i.e. with the reins around the neck and with the reins taken down. Fortunately, the horses in those situations did not break themselves.
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Agreed. I do much the same.
“Just train your horse” Sigh. My horse is 15 years old. I’ve had him since he was 3. His ground manners are pretty damned good, and the only time he’s ever pulled back when tied or in cross-ties was when I had a total klutz moment and tripped and fell down right in front of him - he pulled back so he wouldn’t step on me as I clumsily rolled into his forelegs. One cross-tie snapped, but he stopped and stood as soon as he was clear of me. I will sometimes lead him from the cross-ties or single tie area - probably less than dozen steps for me, with the reins over his neck, but usually I dio not. In general - yes- anything can happen, he’s a hot horse despite exposure to anything and everything, and if i’m going any further, I’m taking those reins over his head and using them like a lead.
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Because name calling is so much easier than doing the work necessary to make a horse a good solid citizen. Brilliant!
“Just train the horse” - sounds like something Pat Parelli would say in the argument against using helmets.
PB is a racehorse person and they come from a different mindset… I’m supposing. I do a lot of things differently from the track, even though my Dad did have racehorses and polo ponies.
Details count where I was raised and my kids, too. Pony Club is all about safety. Routine, the horses know how things are.
The other thing that can happen is that if a horse jerks back while your arm is looped through the reins when around the neck (i.e. closing a gate) you can seriously damage your shoulder and these injuries take minimum two years to heal, if they ever do get right. When they do jerk back, they are likely to keep going rather than give, even when trained.
Many horses are so chill that it does not matter - point is it is the routine that saves injuries in the long haul.
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I think the purpose of your posts is to rattle our chain. In order to make our horses “a good solid citizen” we try to teach them in a consistent safe manner.
Are you as snarky IRL or is this just you internet persona?
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Lol it’s the same poster who thinks riders don’t need to wear helmets; they just need to train their horses better. I’m still waiting for his / her instructional DVD to be released explaining how to train your horse never to trip or stumble. It’s been a few years and nothing yet…
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There comes a time when certain posters repeatedly post such stuff and it all then becomes irrelevant and we should just click on and not take the bait.
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Sure. But we’re talking about 8 year old beginners. Or, 12 year old, or 40 year old beginners. The things that they can do wrong are too long to list. Like dropping the reins altogether because they thought the horse might step on their foot, or something.
If you have an instructor walking alongside a beginner all the time, it would obviously be different. At this barn that was not usually the case. After a few times of having help, riders would lead horses from barn to arena on their own.
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You are the one doing the insulting. Figure it out.
Really? If you are going to LOL and attribute thoughts to me, please go find a post where I articulated this thought. If you can’t, then admit you are WRONG and made something up soley for the purpose of ridiculing me. Is that a nice thing to do? You really are not supposed to insult people on this board, but you are going waaayyy far and making things up and using that for the basis of an insult.
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Despite years of valuable Pony Club instruction this comes closest to how I operate. But put an inexperienced person in the mix? PC safety standards all the way.
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Yes, totally agree. Any lesson kids would be required to do it the right way
You are fretting about “the English” calling YOU names?
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I hope pop up tents are employed!
I put them over the head and lead on one side. Never had a problem.
Nope not necessarily. Last summer I went into one of the horses stall. The stall has a metal gate and it isn’t quiet to open. the horse had his head out the window, a fan on the front of his stall and a fan in the aisle. I entered the stall, came up next to him and started to unbuckle his fly sheet. He cow kicked me the moment I touched hime and launched me across the stall until I hit the wall.
It was the perfect storm that he did not realize that I was there. I didn’'t realize that he didn’t hear me over the fans and likely couldn’t see me with how his head was turned and out the window. This horse is now a para-dressage horse. This was not normal for him AT ALL.
My actual training when I would approach a horse espcially from the rear to tell the to “Stand up”. It was just a verbal warning that it is a person behind you. It won’t prevent them from kicking but it is a warning that whatever is coming up to you is a person and not the alpha horse or a predator. If I had done that Z would not have kicked me.
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