you said it was bullying, don’t shift this to others.
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HA!
Ignoring the timing part, are you?
I think people like to discuss things. That is what these forums are for, right?
If a person is late to a thread do they have no right to discuss and give their opinion?
Even you commented in that thread, later on. (Prior to you deciding it was rude.)
Do I think the same thing needs to be said over and over and over and over and over again? No. But I think the way a forum works is things are a conversation and that makes it OK for someone to come in and say “still its something to watch… I really have never seen anything like this in a competition and I really wonder what the rider was thinking” (on page 14) or “Wow, that sucked”.
Forums would be very boring if people could not comment if the comment has already been made.
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So it is OK for you to repeat something that has already been said?
I am sure I can find a well known horse professional that say just about anything (drugging is OK, etc). I am not sure that is the gold standard for something being right.
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not sure why you even mention the word discussion… I don’t think this thread is a discussion…
In a discussion there are different opinions…
Not sure if anybody was defending her… I wasn’t… ( only a little because you could say she is a victim of the system… But I also believe she abused the system… So I am not sure whether I would defend her…)
And other then that no discussion, only pages of post saying how horrible she rode…
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My answer was generally speaking on threads (though I admit I used your post in that thread as an example of someone coming late to say something along the same lines as the other posters). Your answer is just one thread. That is fine, we can discuss that specific thread.
There is discussion there, in that specific thread:
Why did this happen?
How does it happen?
What can be done to make it not happen again?
Is the trainer responsible?
Is it abuse?
Is the scoring system not working?
Should sellers not just sell to the first person with the right amount of money?
The level of saintliness this horse deserves.
Should the judges have ended the ride?
How was a score given?
Why was that score given?
How cute is that other pony?
Maybe you skipped over those posts?
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she is a victim of the system? I am first of all ANGRY over this. I am mad that she rode her horse like that. I have no qualms about calling it out. Abuse needs to be spoken outloud.
If she didn’t want that backlash don’t whip and spur in a a show, No sympathy at all.
This is a DISCUSSION forum. you sure have some odd ideas.
Can you also get your thread merged here? three discussions on the same topic is hard to follow. thank you
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I know. I keep having to look at the top to figure out what thread I am in.
This thread, in theory, is on a different topic.
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Because the virtual ignore button doesn’t work as well as I hoped it would
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oh look, failed again “Le sigh”
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yeah, nothing like driving up every thread Manni to TALK about something to not talk about something? so weird.
I don’t get why you are here, what I mean is it’s so un-plesant for you, and you don’t engage in theory discussion, training topics, or want to discuss current news. Don’t take it personally, just not sure your MO
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I know whatever I write is wrong… but other people think the same way…http://www.eurodressage.com/2018/01/29/eva-maria-broomer-its-outrage-social-media-and-self-reflection
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Ditto.
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My thoughts-Yes, it is an outrage and should be!
Ms. Broomer is entitled to her opinion and doesn’t have to participate! Who is this person? Astrid isn’t known for the best news journalism if I recall correctly.
This quote made me question the whole article. I know they didn’t see the video
But with that comes the need for humility, for a recognition that we are all on a journey, a journey littered with errors, some of which even cause unintentional cruelty.
Eva-Maria Broomer: “It’s an Outrage!” - on Social Media and Self-Reflection
Only few weeks after a gang bullying Brits on social media caught public attention, a similar case of lamentable human behaviour online has shown its ugly head. Keyboard warriors have started their next crusade in shaming and bullying an amateur dressage rider that competed in California last weekend.
Instead of blaming the failed national show system, which allows novice, amateurs riders to compete at levels they don’t master, or instead of questioning the trainer’s motivation to send such an inexperienced student into the show ring, the person in question has been crucified by self-acknowledged horse-loving superiors.
Eurodressage’s columnist Eva-Maria Broomer shared her thoughts on the latest incident of equestrian cyber-bullying.
Eva-Maria Broomer: “It’s an outrage!” - on social media and self-reflection
We all think we love our horses. Every single one of them. And, therefore, the hardest thing to admit to ourselves will be that we also hurt them. I very much doubt that this is deliberate, nobody gets up in the morning with the explicit intention of inflicting pain on their mount. The simple fact of the matter is that we make mistakes. From inexperience, from ignorance, perhaps thoughtlessness, lack of awareness, an inability to control negative emotions like frustration or fear, or simply because our bodies won’t quite operate in the way our minds intended.
We have all seen some examples of very unfortunate riding shared on social media. We are outraged and disgusted. “Yet another example”, we think “of an innocent horse being made to suffer!”, and it gives us a small sense of satisfaction that we can hit the “share” button and vent our feelings, because, we feel, this way we can “make a difference”. “Name and shame”, we think, so that this person has pointed out to them the errors of his or her ways and will thus transform from horse abuser into a caring and sympathetic rider.
But will they? If faced with an onslaught of outrage and comments like the ones we have seen on social media, is recognition of the errors of one’s ways and subsequent self-transformation really the most likely outcome? I doubt it. In the face of attack, the most natural of responses is defensiveness. Perhaps upset, perhaps anger, perhaps a mixture of the two. Quite likely also defiance. None of which are productive responses that are in any way going to improve the situation for the horse, nor the person’s riding.
Expressing our “outrage” serves primarily one purpose: it makes us feel better.
I entirely agree that we need to take a long and careful look at equine welfare in dressage. If we don’t, it will undoubtedly mean the end of what used to be more of a form of art than a sport, a thing of beauty. It is encouraging to see that an increasing number of professional and knowledgeable riders and trainers are speaking up and are working tirelessly to take dressage back to its roots, which is to teach a horse to use its body in a way that allows it to remain free of pain. To dance with us.
But with that comes the need for humility, for a recognition that we are all on a journey, a journey littered with errors, some of which even cause unintentional cruelty.
– by Eva-Marie Broomer
And they say Americans are the special snowflakes who want participation trophies.
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Please stop calling what is happening to SB bullying. It simply is not. SB participated in a public show. She signed a release that allowed her test to be videotaped and disseminated. The resulting comments are free speech. It doesn’t matter if there is one or a million negative comments, it’s still not bullying.
Bullying is about power. If someone grabbed SB by the collar and forced her to read those comments, that act might constitute bullying. As it is, we don’t even know if SB has read any of the comments or even cares.
Please stop negating the actual act of bullying. That term is getting way overused and in that sense, watered down. True bullying must always be addressed as such and dealt with swiftly.
Is what’s happening to SB fair? Maybe not, perhaps she was just unlucky, and her very bad days became public fodder. But public awareness is often what leads to change. At the very least, this incident will lead to much introspection from riders, trainers and judges. And that is never a bad thing.
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a lot of people call it bullying by now…
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A lot of people say a lot of things…
It does not make it so.
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Yep 
I really agree on that one with you
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Exactly.
The majority is not always right. Just because one is a professional does not mean that they are correct either. Also so many people will do/say so many things when politics, status, and money are involved.
There is bullying and then there is criticism. Some people seem to get those confused.
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And now the question is who gets it confused???
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