Linda Hollingsworth-Jones licenced American Légèreté instructor reflects on some modern trainers and clinicians.

My experience has been that if someone is analytically inclined, and willing to put in honest work with a trainer and on their own doing homework, that an intermediate ammie with good basic riding skills can get good results and fix problems in their horse. They can end up exceeding what they thought they were capable of.

The program does tend to attract riders who have hit a roadblock in their current program which may be why we see so much emphasis on going back to basics at least for a short period of time.

Beginner riders in lessons can also learn some basics early on, like shoulder fore and shoulder in at the walk, when they have basic skills mastered.

But yes, like anything novel, legerete also attracts the not very good riders who hop from program to program looking for a quick fix, but aren’t ready to commit to doing anything well. And there are a few pitfalls they typically fall into. If you don’t have independent seat and aids and good timing and the ability to maintain contact, it can be hard to get some of the techniques for reaching for the bit to be effective.

These exercises aren’t that difficult but it is very hard to get the right contact without some in person instruction.

Now that American and Canadian certified coaches are appearing, anyone interested could look to audit a clinic by one of them, much less pricier than getting the visiting top level coaches from Europe. There are also coaches still in the teacher training process who are teaching the method, especially in the areas close to the teacher training clinic sites.

Probably because it is not a standard dressage term and one more or less made up to explain one those weird exercises the Legerete folks do.

Many pics here and is says it is fléchi droit

https://www.facebook.com/pg/EcoledeL…18097245156027

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There is nothing that’s really original in Legerete, it’s a consolidation of old school dressage methods into a flexible but clear progression. Things tend to have French terms because that’s where it originated.

Flechi droit translates as flexed but straight, and it’s just a gymnastic where you ride with a slight lateral poll flexion. Later on you might not spend much time on it, but ride shoulder fore or shoulder in at your warmup, or counterbend in circles. A lot of this is at the walk, building balance.

All of this builds control of the shoulders which helps straighten the horse, as well as contact. Of course you also start getting control of the hindquarters too.

I misinterpreted flechi-droit as flexed to the right when I first heard it and kept wondering where flechi-gauche was!

Some of these exercises are still being used by other dressage training programs, and some have perhaps been lost over the years.

I haven’t seen anyone other than Legerete folks consistently schooling lateral work at the walk in the saddle or in hand, for Instance. But other COTH posters have said they do this. I’m sure lots of people use bend/ counter bend too which is close in concept to flechi-droit.

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Thank you Scribbler! For explaining the flechi-droite. Yes Alibi, it is not a normal French dressage or an other term. It is a Légèreté method term.

This was and is one exercise that was invaluable with my big, heavy on the forehand WB. Now he can do it at the canter! And yes I have gained control of his shoulders without force, which in turn has helped me with the hind quarters. And, yes I use this exercise consistently with the counter bend exercises.

Scribbler has pretty much explained the why and how, here is another explanation with photos from the Légèreté school in Perth, Aus. This reinforces what Scribber said.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto…57697261196029

And , yes, as Scribbler also said, There is absolutely nothing new about any of these exercises. They have simply been taken from the ancient classical masters and repackaged. However all I care about is that they have helped me break some important barriers in the work with this particular horse and I am very pleased.

Just would like to generate a dialog and no I am not at all put back by negative comments or jibs. Its all part of COTH and we are a community that is quite used to debate. So bring it on :slight_smile:

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It totally has it’s place. There is a woman in WA who was short listed for the Olympics for Eventing that does this type of training. I never rode with her because my mare and I were working on off the track basics. It would have been a waste of money at that point. She is very well respected and a beautiful rider, great clinician, gives awesome lectures. I would ride with her now if I was still there. However, the students I knew of hers (and this is no reflection upon her) really knew the vocabulary to sound more knowledgeable than they were. Under instruction they did great. On their own… eh. One took my mare to teach me this. My mare started grinding her teeth through it and I stopped the “training.” Took about a month for marsey to reach for the bit again when I went to bridle her. That is the issue with this training. It is for people who know what they are doing and have a horse that need this type of work. That also doesn’t mean people get to be snarky and self righteous.

Here is a good article about applying the Légèreté method on a rescue horse:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/willow-grove-ranch/they-all-have-something/1137161209767684/

Here is a video of very nice, basic, Légèreté exercises done on a pony mare. The rider is Linda H-J. Yes, I do have her permission to post this vid.
The lateral work is done at the rising trot, which is typical of Légèreté in the earlier stages. Note that the rise switches to the inside diagonal during for example the shoulder-in or flechi-droite to facilitate the movement.

This is not a professionally produced video and has some focusing and clarity issues due to the shading in the arena…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WkTKtJnQogQ

Like I said before, not someone I would pay to teach riders or train horses higher than 2d level. She seems to be a quiet and somehow soft rider.

I’m sorry to say that her riding, in this video, is not what I would seek in a trainer. Her position is disrupting the pony’s gait as she’s balancing herself on the reins.
She’s at best an ok amateur rider.

As for the fléchi-droit, it must come from outside of PKarl or Henriquet’s training (both of which started the Légèreté movement in France) because they explicitely do the lateral jaw, poll and neck flexions without calling it that name. I was just curious where this term came from.

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Walking, walking, skip ahead, mincing, skip ahead, some trot!, skip ahead, and …whyyy is she backing it in loops around the arena and slinging it sideways on a circle into the canter departs?

I don’t get it.
Can’t she just let it go loosely forward on big lines???

ETA: The abusive modern method showcasing low-handed, not-ramrod-straight riders and forward, elastic, long striding horses:

[URL=“https://youtu.be/SIt9dQQGtEQ”]https://youtu.be/SIt9dQQGtEQ

https://youtu.be/zaEc7cGUdUc

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I completely agree. She is leaning forward constantly and balancing on her hands badly. Definitely not someone I would pay money to have train me or my horse. Plus- were those supposed to be half passes in that video? No clear line of travel and they basically looked like leg yields with incorrect bend vs. haunches in on a diagonal line.

And is that truly their canter work for the session??

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Wish she was wearing a helmet

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I’d be embarrassed to have that video on the internet if I were her. There’s little reason to wonder why there’s almost no video of this nonsense.

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I don’t think I’ve seen LHJ ride IRL. I do think there’s some aspects here that seem to reflect a Western background, including her seat. I doubt however she is balancing on her hands. They go to different positions based on what she’s asking for.

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shouldn’t we be trying to get instruction from people that are way better than us?
dressage is really really hard to perform at the top levels and that’s why so many people struggle. It’s not because they’re bad and shortcuts or gimmicks are not a replacement for the journey.
i see this as another art2ride situation or even some of the parelli stuff.
Can’t we let Dressage just be Dressage and accept that it’s extremely difficult.
im watching this video of the rider on the pony and it’s cringe worthy. The horse is mincing along and on the forehand.
Sorry to be negative and blunt. I love this sport and it needs to be followed and studied properly for the masses to continue to enjoy and understand it properly.
these offshoots are fine if they make a rider more confident on their horse but don’t liken it to proper schooling that works up the training scale to create an FEI horse.
These methods and the videos are NOT following what I’d want for my horse or me.
Western pleasure and hunter horses also go around with light contact and will flex side to side but neither discipline has a horse in an uphill balance and through like we’d want for a Dressage Horse. Reading that these methods “work” for these people concern me because I realize that the feeling of lightness might be deceptive. Hunters also feel light but don’t use their bodies the way we need to perform at a high level (or even be working at a low level with sights set on progressing up the levels)

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Whatever works for you, doesn’t hurt the horse and results in correct progress is a-ok.

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I think in consistent work with any good trainer a horse should be able to go from Training Level to schooling a solid Third in that time frame, whether a Legerete instructor or not. Problem is, the less than good trainers far outnumber the good ones, no matter which “school” of training they espouse.
I would tend to attribute the success to the quality of the trainer and not necessarily the Legerete method.

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Yeah, I said above that one of the marketing problems with the legerete program is that there are basically no videos out there beyond really basic green horse schooling.

I’d classify this video in that category. Honestly if I didn’t know the program IRL there is nothing in this video that would attract or interest me. IRL I’ve seen horses end up moving with freedom and impulsion and fully formed diagonal work. But since I don’t have access to any visuals to back up my claim I’ve stopped trying to make the point in public forums :slight_smile:

I don’t think the rider here is asking for a fully formed half pass. There are moments at the walk where there’s shoulder in and playing with bits of diagonal motion.

The OP said this was a “rescue horse.” Would be useful to know the context. How long has it been under saddle? What is the video hoping to show?

I don’t think however the video answers any questions or doubts people might have about the effectiveness of the program to help more advanced horses.

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Thanks for your comments; with respect Alibi, M. Henriquet had nothing to do with the start of the Légèreté movement in France. He and wife did their own form of in hand work and flexions based on Baucher amoung others, however with one difference. The poll was not always at the highest point in their work, and relaxation of the jaw not always a top priority.
I do not know who invented the term, however I personally first started hearing it as a student of Légèreté.

I respectfully disagree, she is not balancing on her hands. Those are not half passes. They are the beginnings of counter canter. The counter canter in this method bends the horse not to the “inside leg” but bends him to the inside of the arena. This is different to the way most counter canters are taught today as well as what is in the tests. You have to delve into the method to understand. You will not thus this will not be of concern to you.

thank you for you comments, Scribbler. Yes this is a very contentious topic for this forum. This video, whilst at a lower level is somewhat better than others out there on Youtube. I think the issue here is that we do not see any videos on warmblood type horses or really nice Iberians to be able to compare them to the Ingrid Klimke vids that Meupat posted. We see, from time to time Karl on his warmblood, but honestly a really professionally produced video with more advanced riding is sorely needed.

The pony in the video was not a rescue. The rescue was the horse in the article.