Unless a trainer just fell off a turnip truck I doubt very much they don’t know whats going on.
trainers know it is just easier not to talk about it…
Little Cliff rescued from slaughter
with all due respect La Buzz, it seems to me as if you are back peddling here to lift the responsibility quotient you were assigned when you indeed had Little Cliff. The popular " blame game" trying to transfer your carelessness and total disregard for Little Cliff has obviously caused you some backlash and you in turn are now trying to push the blame toward the very people who came to the rescue of this horse. Don’t blame the people who found him, rescued him, discovered his identity and then were able to bring his plight out to the public in hopes of saving future horses. Be thankful to these folks that Little Cliff has not become effluent in a Paris sewer. Take responsibility and make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Donations
can be made out to:
Turning For Home
c/o PTHA
P.O. Box 300
Bensalem, PA. 19020
Sheila,
I’m not really sure why you are attacking me and the others who saved Little Cliff’s life. If Christy hadn’t found him in the direct to slaughter pen, he’d have shipped to Canada that very evening and he’d have been slaughtered. If so many questions remained after our 2 hour phone call, you could have called again. I told you to call me with any questions any time. I have nothing to hide from you or anyone else. My integrity is fully intact.
I can assure you that I have no agendas. My only goal is to help as many horses as possible escape the horrors of slaughter. I’ve been working in horse rescue for 10 years as a volunteer - an unpaid volunteer, giving up countless hours and many thousands of dollars toward the rescue and care of at-risk horses whose owners either didn’t care where they ended up, dropped the ball on placing them properly, or were duped into believing that their horses were being sent to good homes. After our conversation, I have told everyone who has asked, that you and Bob Levin, the LA Buzz Stable partners, did not know where Little Cliff was headed. I believe that you wanted him to have a good safe home. The fact that you had no idea that there are Thoroughbred rescue and retirement groups that you could have called when you were looking to place Little Cliff shows how uneducated many newer owners are. There should be information available in every horseman’s office, in the back of every condition book, etc, so that horsemen who want to the right thing have ample information at hand.
How dare you question the Zito’s intentions or where they plan to keep Cliff. First, I did not say they had a farm. Second, they have several prominent owners with large, lovely farms in KY where I’m sure Little Cliff is welcomed to rehab. Frankly, it’s none of your business. I have no reason to question Kim Zito’s intentions or her ability to care for the horse. I’m not surprised that the sticker on the horse’s papers has ReRun’s name on it. Kim is a founding director or the Kentucky Equine Humane Center and their Executive Director is a former ReRun, KY person. Kim told me that she put a sticker on Little Cliff’s papers with her name and phone number on it. I believe Kim. I have no reason not to - she could quite possibly have put her sticker over the original ReRun sticker and Kim’s sticker was somehow removed along the way.
I have no “relationship” with Ed DeRosa and am not sure where you got the idea that I do. I have spoken to him exactly ONE time - when he called to interview me for the piece in the Thoroughbred Times. I don’t know why they didn’t print your letter to the editor Sheila, but I certainly had nothing to do with it and no control over what the editors at the publication choose to print. As for the monthly phone calls to trainers or owners of horses you want to follow, it’s not that hard to do. I’ve done it and continue to do so for quite a few horses. Those phone calls have saved the lives of horses I was worried about. If you’re dedicated to the job at hand, it’ll get done. Rescue isn’t about doing what’s easy. It’s about doing what is best for the horses.
I do not intend to get into a tit-for-tat debate with you online Sheila. I’m sorry that you’re angry and upset with the turn of events. Instead of taking your frustrations out on me and the others who saved Little Cliff’s life, do something positive. Kudos to you for helping the retirement program at Philadelphia Park. Some advice though - check the adoption/placement contracts of the participating rescues and be careful whom you choose to work with. Not everyone is what they first appear to be. You have already had one bad experience. I hope you don’t have another. You are still free to call me anytime (before 9:30 p.m., I live on a farm and get up early) if you have questions. I meant that and the offer is open. As I said earlier, my goal is to help horses.
paypal link for new holland rescuers?
hey, duh, I just thought of this…do all or any of those folks who rescue out of the new holland kill pen have paypal accounts? if so, let me know. I am going to donate to the woman who is trying to rescue her old horse from the mountaineer park, and when I thought about paypal for that, I thought, duh, I should be sending a little $ each month or so to the new holland people since they are the ones seeing all the dead and dying and trying to save some of them.
any of you know if they have paypal??
thanks
Diana -
Thank you for confirming that the LA Buzz Stable did not have anything to do with the fate that Little Cliff faced.
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hey, duh, I just thought of this…do all or any of those folks who rescue out of the new holland kill pen have paypal accounts? if so, let me know. I am going to donate to the woman who is trying to rescue her old horse from the mountaineer park, and when I thought about paypal for that, I thought, duh, I should be sending a little $ each month or so to the new holland people since they are the ones seeing all the dead and dying and trying to save some of them.
any of you know if they have paypal??
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Many rescues have PayPal - AC4H does, check their website, www.AC4H.com. I’m not a computer person and my proficiency level is sorely lacking when it comes to sending links, etc… I know that any rescue that goes to the auctions and has to watch even one horse load on the kill buyer’s truck would greatly appreciate funding to rescue another horse. We can’t save them all, but we can try. And think of the HUGE difference made in the life of those we are able to save.
One day last month when Christy went to New Holland we ID’d 4 young Thoroughbreds. We had no funds to save any of them. It was a heartbreaking day. I try to focus on the positive, on the ones we can get out, but the horses who ship to slaughter are always on my mind.
Donations are what rescues rely on not only to save horses, but to feed and care for them.
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Diana -
Thank you for confirming that the LA Buzz Stable did not have anything to do with the fate that Little Cliff faced.[/QUOTE]
You’re welcome Sheila. I’ve told anyone who has asked me the same thing.
Preciado
LA Buzz, thanks for the information. However, we’re still waiting for some type of clarity regarding how Little Cliff got from the barn to the kill pen supposedly under your trainer’s watch. Was your trainer duped by a third party? Do your trainer dupe you with the ‘good home’ story? The silence since your last post is deafening. What the heck happened?
I wish you would take a much closer look at your trainer. Ramon Preciado is widely known at The Pha for being brutal toward his horses and highly aggressive in treating their ailments. People don’t claim off of Preciado because when he drops them, the lemon is almost always squeezed totally dry. He is near the top at The Pha when it comes to horses being vanned off the track. Few breal em’ down like him.
Combined with his documented incidents and arrests for [edit], both on and off the track, the fuller picture of Preciado is one of a mean man without a conscience. My gut tells me that this wasn’t the first time a horse left his barn in a trailer bound for New Holland. If I’m wrong, I’d like to know.
Yeah I’d still like to know as well.
Can you really say all that about a trainer, in public and where he is not there to defend himself and get by with it?
I would think you can be sued for that, since some of it you definitely would have a hard time proving.
Those are some insinuations and gossip that don’t speak well of the one making them in places like here, true or not.:no:
Sounds like a character assesination by a disgruntled client or competitor with a grudge.:eek:
I don’t know about Preciado’s character, but I do know it’s well known to not claim from him.
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I don’t know about Preciado’s character, but I do know it’s well known to not claim from him.[/QUOTE]
If you have been around tracks enough, you will have heard about most everything about all trainers.:yes:
Much of it you have to take it as given, 100% gossip.
The information will be depending on how a trainer is doing and what owner moved the horses to another trainer and why and who got mad.:lol:
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If you have been around tracks enough, you will have heard about most everything about all trainers.:yes:
Much of it you have to take it as given, 100% gossip.
The information will be depending on how a trainer is doing and what owner moved the horses to another trainer and why and who got mad.:lol:[/QUOTE]
Word about who to not claim from tends to be pretty accurate. I don’t seem to see any or very few who improved when being claimed from Stephanie Beattie or Mark Shuman or Dale Capuano for example. I just don’t see many horses claimed from Preciado, that’s all. I’m not saying he’s a butcher or anything like that, but he’s one of a handful that you simply don’t claim from at Philly.
I would be curious to know if any horses claimed from Beattie or Shuman or Capuano ever run back good.
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Can you really say all that about a trainer, in public and where he is not there to defend himself and get by with it?
I would think you can be sued for that, since some of it you definitely would have a hard time proving.
Those are some insinuations and gossip that don’t speak well of the one making them in places like here, true or not.:no:
Sounds like a character assesination by a disgruntled client or competitor with a grudge.:eek:[/QUOTE]
The arrests and incidents I mentioned are a matter of public record. They involve the local police and racetrack security and are documented.
My grudge is that I hate to see someone break down horses with regularity.
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The arrests and incidents I mentioned are a matter of public record. They involve the local police and racetrack security and are documented.
My grudge is that I hate to see someone break down horses with regularity.[/QUOTE]
I stand by my opinion that to say what you did about someone by name, in a first post, where no one knows who you are, makes me wonder about a personal attack motivation and seems very base of anyone.
If you want to state that, say it to his face, not here, which amounts to saying such serious allegations behind someone’s back.
Thats all, MY comment on where, what and how you said it, of someone else that is not here, deserved or not.
We’ve removed the specific accusations of criminal activity from previous posts. While they may be a matter of public record, posters bear the responsibility for supplying documentation/proof of such charges–which should be germaine to the discussion–if they are being made in this forum.
Thanks,
Mod 1
Update-
Wanted to share some new pics taken this afternoon of Little Cliff. Christy said he was feeling pretty darned frisky today and he’s nearly completely over the strangles, should be getting his health clearance soon. He sure is a handsome fella!
Sidenote: I had another very nice conversation w/his former owner [La Buzz] this morning and I would like to convey that from the start, she had no knowledge of what happened to this horse. According to questions asked of her trainer, he’s stated that he gave the horse to a man that said he’d get a home, that’s all that’s known [we do know the name of the man however he did nothing illegal/slaughter is still legal].
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/marlifarm/LittleCliffRecovered22.jpg
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Thank you for the update Marli!!
