Looking for Roping Instructor in Washington, DC area

@Aces_N_Eights & @Bluey: I really can’t express sufficient gratitude for your advice. I think you’ve diagnosed my problem accurately, and I also found a video that I think covers the same problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zwQvL9mt8

He talks about the wrong way of swinging (leading with the bottom) “creating a figure 8,” which is exactly what’s happening with my rope, though I wasn’t able to describe it nearly as helpfully. He gives a cue–thinking about looking at your watch as you swing it around in front–that seems to be the same idea as your image of “wiping your brow.”

I may take you up on the offer of posting a video if I’m still struggling with the swing after practicing today. Again: thank all of you for your advice on this!

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The rope I have is HM (hard medium), and I ordered it from Chick’s Saddlery: Professionally Used Lariat. TBH, I don’t feel like the hardness is a problem, and I like the way it looks in terms of being dirty and broken in.

I’ve ordered an XS Fast Back Excaliber Head Rope so that I can see whether I might do better with a softer rope—I’d hate to find out I was making things harder on myself than I need to because I never bothered to follow the general advice out there. If I use it, I’ll definitely have to do my best to get it dirty.

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@nate-eagle, make sure to tell us when and where your DC-ish show opens! Horsey people aren’t really the type to wish each other broken legs (we can rack up the injuries well enough without encouragement, thankyouverymuch), but in this case I think we can make an exception!

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I decided to go ahead and upload a video of where I am now so that I can get critiques or suggestions. I have to admit that I’m more than a little self-conscious about stepping out (virtually) in front of a bunch of experts who know way more about this than I do, but the chance to get specific feedback on what I’m really doing is too good an opportunity to pass up.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1vOedUV2G5g

  1. I’d love to figure out a more elegant way to do the second movement to expand my loop – the first one is fine, but the second larger one always feels a little awkward.
  2. How does the actual swing look? I’m really trying to do the “wipe my brow / read my watch” and have the bottom of the loop lead over my head.
  3. Any other things I could or should think about to try to look like someone who competently handles a rope?
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I really appreciate the well-wishes!

The show is Sam Shepard’s Fool for Love for a little community theater in Falls Church, VA, and it runs from January 30 - February 15th.

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I watched your video and while I’m no roping expert by any means (I only have to do minimal rope handling for my competitions), I think you rope that chair just fine, especially for your purposes in the community theatre.

By the way, you must be thrilled to perform in a Sam Shepard play. Fool for Love is one of my favorites!

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Thrilled is putting it mildly, to be honest. Sam Shepard is amazing, and this play is an absolute firecracker. I appreciate your feedback: once our set was built enough for me to actually practice roping in the space, it became clear just how little space there was. I’m so close that I’ve had to learn to not really throw the loop, but to kinda place it on the bedposts / chair, not let go of the spoke, and snap it back.

I’ve been meaning to post an update here mainly as a record for anyone who might come along trying to learn the same things. One of the big things I had to figure out was that the way one holds the loop is incredibly important in determining whether the loop starts figure-eighting. You really have to use the rest of your fingers to press down both the loop and the slack in your hand so that they don’t immediately flip as you start to swing.

Now, that’s also an admission that I’ve never mastered feeding the loop – I can’t manage to coordinate letting the tip of my loop tug that little bit extra through my right hand while starting the swing without letting the whole affair to go hell. Fortunately, it doesn’t seem like the feed is really necessary in this situation. I’ve tried to do everything I can to make this action researched and authentic, but I think I’m gonna have to accept a compromise on that particular point.

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A cast-mate recorded a video of some of the stuff we were working on in yesterday’s practice. (The set is still under construction and this is without any of the show lighting set up, etc.) But I thought I’d post it as a continued record here: https://youtu.be/6X03QgCJeMg

You can see just how small the space is. I still have a part of me that’s a little nervous about the fact that I can never miss this! Anyway: my hope is that it’ll be an effective moment in the show. Thanks again to everyone on this thread who pointed me in useful directions for figuring out how to do this!

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Looks awesome and you make a very believable cowboy. :+1:

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Nicest possible thing someone could say.

We’re in the middle of our run! Roping has been going well so far, though I’ll confess I always breathe a significant sigh of relief when that section is over. We got a nice write-up in DC Theater Arts. Thanks again to everyone on this thread!

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@nate-eagle --how did the on-stage roping go?

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Overall, it went great! Here’s my report:

Context

In one section of the play, about half-way through, Eddie returns to the motel room in which he and May—former lovers with a murky, hinted-at history—have been arguing. May has told Eddie that she has a date coming to pick her up. Eddie erupts in fury, at first, grabbing a shotgun from his truck and making vague threats. After more arguing, Eddie leaves again, but this time returns with a rope bag and claims to be calling May’s bluff, that there is no man in fact coming over. He takes a rope out of the bag and starts roping the posts of the motel bed in a move that is partly threatening, partly trying to be annoying, and partly flirtatious / erotic. After more arguments and roping the posts about six or seven times, Eddie says: “You know, I hope this guy comes over. I really hope he does. I wanna see him walk through that door.” May replies: “What are you gonna do?” Eddie pauses, then swings the rope again and catches the second chair at the motel room table where May has her feet. Yanking the chair backward, he snarls, “I’m gonna nail his ass to the floor. Directly.”

The Roping

The first thing I discovered once we had a real stage and set to work with was that there would be no real throwing of the loop. There just wasn’t enough room. I had to learn to let go of the loop when throwing it but keep ahold of the spoke–mentally, it’s more like placing the loop on the target than what I had been practicing in my driveway. But, you know, it’s still possible to miss!

The bedposts were comparatively easy, though I did manage to miss one of them in maybe half the shows. The interesting thing was that if I just played it in character it wasn’t really a problem, and every line that involved roping a bedpost had an interesting alternative cast to it if it was accompanied by a miss instead of a hit. I never wanted to miss, as Sam Shepard does write in the stage directions that Eddie “never misses,” but I know for a fact that Sam Rockwell, who played Eddie on Broadway, definitely missed and just played it in character. Eddie is supposed to be drunk, after all. And the bedposts are mostly about how you play Eddie’s affect – it’s about having some swagger and really snapping the rope taut.

The chair was the stressful part, but as my 12-year-old son suggested when I first talked about this with him, I always had a back-up plan. If I just completely missed that chair, I’d go up to it and flip the chair over angrily myself. I did that once in a dress rehearsal and managed to flip the chair all the way off the stage, though—it’s amazing what you can do when your adrenaline spikes like that.

I only missed the chair in one performance, and it was one with lots of friends and family present. My son was also there for that one (he saw it three times), and he was thrilled that we employed his back-up plan. And, frankly, my anger over missing the chair may have heightened the delivery of the next line a little bit: if you roll with things, almost anything that happens on stage can be interesting or even advantageous. I had to exert some mental self-control for the rest of the play in not letting my brain start going, “F#@$… I wish I hadn’t missed the chair!”

But it mostly went great, and the majority of the the time I got a great snap-back on the chair where it flew backward and I grabbed it as I gave my threat. I did always experience a sense of relief once I crossed that moment in the play, as everything that followed was comparatively easy, or at least dependable.

Conclusion

Lots of people seemed to like the roping, and the characterization made possible while rebuilding the coil after each time using the rope was really fun, and I think amply used all the specific instruction I’d gotten from the videos people posted here. For me, learning that skill (to a small extent) was also a really fun part of having this role. I told a lot of people about the advice and assistance I got on this forum and how grateful I was for all of you and your encouragement.

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@nate-eagle Standing Ovation!!!

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