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https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16KHH3zw6D/ - there is now a COTH article about it and the majority of commenters are clearly not familiar with US immigration policy.

Asking why an undocumented worker can’t just get legal status is like asking why my dog doesn’t know how to ride a bicycle. There is a slim chance it could be made to happen, but it would take an enormous amount of time, effort and expense with an uncertain outcome.

For everyone saying undocumented workers should get a visa, would you support creating a legal pathway for workers who have been here for let’s say 5 years with no criminal record and their employer vouching for them? If you want them to get papers, are you willing to concede perhaps there needs to be a way for them to be able to do this?

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We have been at these immigration problems, legal and illegal, forever.
I think Reagan patched this up decades ago thru temporary amnesty programs.

I would say this go-round is going at this in especially troublesome, legally and ethically questionable ways.
The horse industry is being caught on this along with so many others.

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Just caught the tail end of an NPR story from yesterday that said that DOGE cuts have resulted in the immediate (and I mean bums rush-style) termination of roughly one-fifth of current immigration judges. As if the system is not backlogged enough. And it blows my mind that ICE’s underhanded tactics outside the immigration courts is not common knowledge.

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Immigration judges are DOJ employees and they are being told to dismiss cases of anyone here for 2 years or less so they can be immediately removed by ICE agents waiting outside their courtroom. The immigrants going to their hearings are in the country legally and cannot be removed while they have a pending case. As soon as the case is dismissed, their rights evaporate entirely. It’s disgusting… and again, these are people taking all of the right steps to be here legally.

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Heard that one too. They’re scheduling court dates as far out as 2029. And this is not new, the immigration courts were already wildly understaffed, contributing to the 10+ year process to “get legal”.

It’s disheartening to see that the actual facts of the problem are not making it to certain parts of the population, including how many legal residents are being detained in recent months. Like, how do you miss the countless stories reporting examples of exactly that happening?

And it’s infuriating that the guys feeding & cleaning & genuinely caring for and about our animals are the scapegoats— literally the hardest working people I know; folks that had a thing or two to teach me about horsemanship as I worked alongside them, and not the lazy spoon-fed congress that has been punting this issue to the sidelines for decades.

We are punishing the hardest workers in the entire country, the most “bootstrappiest” of them all, for our mistakes. It’s just wrong. And it may be the final nail of our industry. And congress won’t care. But you, me, the trainers, breeders, farriers, vets, feed stores, tack suppliers and yes, the grooms, stall muckers and hot walkers, probably will.

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“why don’t people just immigrate legally?”

It presumes that people are actively choosing to NOT pursue that path. As if most migrants are faced with two equally easy options- enter legally or illegally- and they actively choose the latter.

As a consequence, it implies that migrants lack some kind of innate moral code if they keep choosing unlawful border crossing. Even if you ignore someone’s complete ignorance on how immigration functions (that’s another story,) it’s revealing a prejudice.

Because there are two possible explanations why someone who is highly motivated to work in the US would immigrate illegally. One, the legal avenues are so arduous and confusing and lengthy that people aren’t incentivized to take them. Or two, there’s something inherent in these individuals that makes them inclined to break the law.

This is why it drives me crazy when people whine about migrants exploiting asylum or stealing SSNs to work here. We could create the circumstances where these behaviors aren’t necessary! We could open legal options for immigration! But many people are so committed to their primitive ideas of punishment that they’ll never see it.

Plus those immigrants with stolen SSN numbers are paying into a system that is very unlikely will benefit them in the future. The money is being withheld and sent to Social Security to pay for people who are collecting NOW. Who could be elderly, or unable to work due to medical conditions, or minors.

My mother benefited from Social Security after her father died when she was 5. She found him dead on the couch. He was buried on her older brother’s birthday (who also received SS money for his care. Their mother collected & spent it on their needs). That money was used for her education, clothes, food, etc. So I get pretty prickly when people try to withhold these benefits from people who are entitled to receive them - no matter what their age.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Agree. I also thought this was common knowledge. Also that the Dreamers (DACA) have been informed, or emphatically reminded, that they have no protected status. Many Dreamers have graduated college and are working professionals. The ones who’ve been interviewed by my local network news have never even been to Mexico. But now they’re in danger of being apprehended and deported.

Nearly every day up here I cross paths with people who insist that “only criminals” are being apprehended and deported. What world are they living in?

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That’s what they were promised would happen when they voted, so that’s what they’re continuing to hold on to.

Plus confirmation-biased news sources and a lot of money being poured into making people distrust conventional media. And there are a lot of people who only believe or understand something once it happens to them or someone they know.

COTH posted the article on FB 2 hours ago and it already has over 500 comments. Yikes.

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Chronicle coverage:

https://www.chronofhorse.com/article/mass-staff-departure-concerns-laec-community/?fbclid=IwY2xjawMK1eRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpWX3Osdg4GrjEcbxHtpZWMy6kK6DIGTPOWvXmNXZkCQKzf_t0YDUELd9V8e_aem_Fd4_bo8BBFSmkHJoS3XBvw

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Depends on the state, I believe.
However, in FL, it’s considered a crime to employ undocumented workers, which is partially why so many barns and the horse shows are so protective of the questionable status. They don’t want to see any negative outcomes for their loyal professionals or the staff that they bring with them.
Furthermore, folks, it goes beyond the barns. I can tell you from experience that there are plenty in the horse show industry, as well, all operating on questionable status. Meaning that if someone was going to scrutinize the paperwork, it would not turn up with many being here on a verfied basis.
People that you see and thank for their work. People that keep our industry moving and operating. So be careful about complely trashing the “undocumented” or “illegals”, bc it is truly these individuals that are the fabric of our industry and if there was a complete reckoning, would result in the whole industry crashing and burning. There are not enough skilled workers and people willing to work hourly for that little pay and those long hours. These people aren’t our enemies, and in many circumstances, they are our friends and colleagues that we rely on to keep the equestrian industry running and operating on such a heavy and demanding basis.
Additionally, if you keep supporting what the government is doing, then it’s going to collapse this industry anyway. Even if they have been granted green cards or visas, lots of those items are being revoked, or their family has not fully gone through the process. The options are very slim and in a lot of cases, it will result in them running for the border to not have to go to a deportation center or risk their wives and children being separated from them or sent there. It’s getting ugly and these are good people that are scared.
We’ve done what we can to try to be allies in our small community. We support immigrant-owned businesses and we’re defensive when it comes to protecting the good people that poured their hearts into making my horse shows a better experience, staying up late nights to trade shifts to walk colicky horses, stayed overnight in stalls when horses were evacuated for hurricanes, and have kept my animals safe and turned out properly when it comes to competitive days.
I’m sad and disappointed that so many in this forum (and in this country overall) cannot see the value and good in these people and just see how they may or may not have entered this country, and believe the narrative rather than learning their stories.

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The Chronicle picked an interesting trainer to interview for that article.

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Have you had any contact, at all, with USCIS in order to understand the extraordinary expense and red tape/delays involved in even the most simple immigration matter?

I am an attorney, and I have done pro bono work in the immigration space for the past 7 years. The fees that immigrants must pay to the US government, and the attorneys fees that are unnecessarily high because of USCIS’s inefficiency, are staggering. As in, the vast majority of Americans could never come close to affording that kind of legal spend.

It is not as easy a process as you would like to believe it is, even with unlimited funds.

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Without any local knowledge or context whatsoever, I wondered about that myself.

In particular, this quote from him caught my eye.

If they could lose 40% of their workforce in one day and still have everything get done with no problem, were they really that overstaffed until last week? :thinking:

From the Chronicle article:

“Thorpe had a different interpretation of what occurred on Friday, and added that the delay in feeding and mucking was minimal.

“The rumors were out and about, many of them were totally false; that didn’t occur,” said Thorpe, who estimated that roughly 60% of the staff is still working. “Horses were all fed. Horses all had water.”

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In my limited experience doing pro bono work in the immigration space, your entire post is spot on. Thank you for stating it better than I could.

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I believe it is a federal requirement to insure all employees are documented as there are federal benefits involved (social security etc.) and federal income tax required.

My mom was on a green card until I was about 7 years old and still recall going with her to the post office to confirm her address, still remember the dirty looks from others. She was one of those shifty Irish Canadians.

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700 people have interacted with that article. 38,000 interacted with the post about that premature foal. The truth is that this country is completely apathetic.

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Which post about the premature foal are you comparing this to?

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I think the disconnect here is that to you “criminal” means someone convicted of some horrible crime.
To others, in this situation, “criminal” means someone here illegally.

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I remember going to my grandmothers naturalization ceremony. I was about 9

Sorry I misspoke. I was 7. It was before my grandfather died and that happened when I was 8

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