Los Angeles Equestrian Center

In Los Angeles, if you are zoned for horses, you can stock to 10 horses per acre and I was once in a facility that had a variance for 100 horses on 5 acres.

You commit to a plan to get these horses out at least 6 days a week (hopefully 7) with a combination of turnout, riding yourself, training rides, a part-lease, or begging a friend/barn-rat to get your horse out. Usually people IME try to turnout 7 days a week and get the horse ridden 5-6 days a week.

It’s not ideal but horses that do have owners who make these arrangements seem to do relatively okay.

Turnout is typically 30 minutes to an hour in a small sun paddock. The use, as you can imagine, is tightly regulated, so that people don’t overstay their allotted time - often a trainer has just one for their barn.

Other facilities often have Mare Motels that are 12 x 24 covered or half-covered pipe ‘stalls’ that give horses a bit more room and socialization. And there are barns that have dirt communal group turnouts, usually for lesson strings or for the lower level pleasure/trail riding folk. Often these are … interestingly hilly!

Horses are tucked into all kinds of surprising areas in greater Los Angeles.

There’s little grass, not just because of the water, but because of the density and the soil type. It just doesn’t hold up to hooves. The only place I’ve been at where there’s grass you can ride on, sort of, was Middle Ranch.

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Did you have papers on your appy?
He looks exactly like a Mansfield Comanche bred one, wonderful horses those, born broke and friendly and unflappable.
Jack Mansfield was one of our neighbors, those were very distinctive, nice horses, as you say yours was.
You may find this story interesting:

https://appaloosaterritory.com/Articles/mansfield.html

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Aww. Sid had a super sweet face!

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I remember seeing the horse trails that looked like they went straight up and down in the area around San Juan Capistrano and thinking those trail horses must be pretty darn fit!

Another time, I did the tour at Hearst Castle, and the recording on the bus (by Alex Trebek, for some reason) said that the Hearst family originally would ride horses from the entrance where we got on the bus to the current location of the castle complex, which started out as their camping area.

It took fifteen or twenty minutes on the bus, going on a road with a steep incline and tons of switchbacks, so I can only imagine how long it would take on a horse.

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HOw the heck do you block? I’ve been looking everywhere?

That quote is from this thread in the technical help section of the forum.

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Thank you! I stupidly thought I could just click on the person and it would come up.

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Just asking … Are we more interested in protecting the horse industry or the actual horse?

I am confused by this question…
I mean, I know what the words mean, I do not understand what the question has to do with the topic.

I will say, just because you (general) do not do things how I do them, does not mean your way is wrong or abusive or any of those things.

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It was in response to a post made by Peggy regarding the lack of turnout in many places. Don’t know how to got to you. It was post # 323.

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There were no papers as far as I know. My mom might have known something about his history but she’s gone. Given that he was owned by the proprietor of a boarding/rent stable in the 1960s he could have come from anywhere. We do know that his former owner’s name was Sid😆. He may have been gelded late since he deposited his manure in a neat stack like some stallions do, but that’s not helpful. She did keep him in one if the few box stall with a run as opposed to the many larger paddocks on the property so maybe he didn’t appreciate a lot of contact with neighbors.

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Thank you for explaining.

Just a FYI, to make posting easier for you and those reading your posts - If you hit the reply button in the lower right corner (see screen shot below with it boxed out in red) it will add the symbology in the upper right corner that makes it clear who you are responding to and what post. The replied to information allows the read to click it and expand to show the post being replied to (refer to second screen shot below).

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The industry is the protection for the horse, the government certainly doesn’t care.
Eliminating horse ownership throughout the urban southwest and vast swathes of California, because it feels foreign to you despite thousands of horse owners doing it successfully, isn’t the answer.

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Switched to a computer to answer this so I could multi-quote, but dags beat me to it. No horse industry, or limiting the horse-keeping area to areas deemed “suitable,” means way fewer horses. It also means little to no research that benefits horses, fewer horse-related products, fewer options for keeping horses, fewer horse professionals, including vets, and so on.

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I don’t think this is very relevant when research has shown that horses NEED movement for fitness, gut health, social needs etc etc. There’s a good reason why some countries like Sweden and Germany have legal regulations that require turnout for horses.

Land is scarce in some areas, of course, but with proper space management and a little less fuss over turnout booboos and shenanigans there can be improvements. 4 hours… 8 hours… overnight, etc. Anything is better than nothing or, at best, 1 hour outside alone in a tiny limestone lot.

Just because we can, doesn’t mean we should.

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But we have, over the years, and they didn’t die.

Would I keep a horse this way? I don’t think I would. But I have been fortunate enough to live in MD.

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Every horse would be better off in a nice meadow in, say, Maryland, without a job. I’d be happier on a beach without a job :rofl:

I don’t think (most of) the horses in CA are living a tough life, even if it is not the Elysian Fields.

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I just feel like that’s a very, very low bar to set.

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Somehow we have gone from establishing what are “optimal conditions for horsekeeping” to “not providing certain conditions is cruelty.”

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Or hyperbole

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There are currently two horses in their 30’s at my very urban barn. One was born there and never lived anywhere else. Two others over thirty have passed in the last few years, also only boarded there. All well cared for and doted on, thrived on little to no turn out when they were ridden, 30-60 minutes in retirement, and maybe a hand walk.

Is it optimal? No. I’m jealous of the videos on here of horses cavorting in green pastures.

Can horses live long, healthy lives in an urban environment? Yes.

Pardon the profanity. It comes with the territory.

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