No surprise many of those receiving aid are POC. People who have never seen a horse in real life and are scared to death of those huge animals.
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no, it will not
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Really? Thatâs pretty racist. I believe there are some statistics showing that a large majority of those on aid or assistance are actually whiteâŠ
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You donât seem to know the meaning of the word âmany.â
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And âmanyâ are white. âManyâ are Asian. So what.
Youâre as much as saying itâs all some convoluted plot to force all the Hispanics on aid into low paying jobs, which is ridiculous. .
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Did I say that, or, did you? Everyone can learn to not fear horses? Everyone WANTS to work on the horse industry?
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Iâve had a few spicy ones, and I know that I was always concerned about who handled them. They donât need their faces shanked off when leading to turnout. There is an art to handling a horse that you donât intimately know, and Iâve sincerely appreciated the handling mine have had. That was much more important to me than where the handlers were born, or what the primary language spoken by the handler was.
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These also arenât high demand jobs and to speak to them like they are is simply laughable.
Sure people CAN be taught, but they have to be willing and interested participants and they have to want to do it. Today there is a choice anyways.
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Iâm curious about this too. I came from the east coast in 2007 to a large boarding facility in San Juan Capistrano, and at first the California model was almost factory like to me with huge amounts of horses on a small space and the way they managed was somewhat incredulous to behold. I literally met people that I had Horses two aisles over from me several years into my tenure and had also been there for years and we never knew each other.
Of course, I became institutionalized over the many years and I eventually moved to my own place in San Diego but if half or more of the staff disappeared over night from the boarding facility I started at, hundreds of horses and owners would be at sea with what sounds like no clear communication or plan or unifying leader.
I suspect that the horse world in many areas is entering the FO part of FAFO.
And the horses will pay the price.
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They generally come here knowing how to take care of horses. Almost every groom Iâve ever had in the many years I have had horses in high-end barns has come from a family horse farm, race track, etc.
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You go to your church, and Iâll go to mine.
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Iâm not necessarily referring solely to
The horse industry. There are lots of other places to work.
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Not one word you posted has anything to do with reality âŠitâs bubble consciousness: everything in your bubble is okay so that must be the way it is everywhere. Itâs not.
A country that wonât uphold its own basic laws (due process), a country that attacks science, data, higher education, the free press has lost its soulâŠa country that inserts federal troops into cities, pays a foreign government to imprison US immigrants, that levies tariffs without Congressional approval, takes aid away from important health programs around the world stands soulless, heartless, and selfish.
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Itâs amazing how many new posters are involving themselves on a particular side of this conversation.
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Please avoid having this discussion veer into a general political debate. Discussion of immigration issues related to the horse industry is fine.
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So I can stop clicking, who is a new poster?
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This is going to be an incredibly unpopular opinion, but this is a time of reckoning for the equine industry that has been coming for many, many years. It is not just a consequence of the current political policies.
The situation at LAEC is horrible because it is the innocent horses that are not getting the care they should be in the short term but this situation is a good example of what we have been building up to for many years in the horse showing industry.
Even upthread, there was a comment about how at WEF there was a code phrase for ICE being seen on grounds. This isnât new - I remember hearing about this years ago.
Lots of people happily paid the lower boarding fees that came from having undocumented workers for many years. So as the base wage increases exponentially in the US - board is going to HAVE to increase at an exponential rate. For how long has it been commonly accepted that by and large board is at best a breakeven - not a moneymaker? If barn owners now have to pay $30+/hr plus payroll tax, plus UE, plus WC for workers our board is going to have to massively go up just for the doors of the barns to stay open.
I have accepted that my competitive career is over - I cannot possibly afford board and training let alone show fees.
I do believe like many other aspects of our lives we are at the point of a massive reset of the horse showing industry. Do I have a brilliant solution for any of it? How to make horse ownership more affordable, how to solve the labor issue, how to solve the immigration issue? No.
But I felt like this base point was not being said clearly enough. Part of this current situation IS of our own doing.
Much like the endless bitching about the width and pitch of airline seats - weâve done that to ourselves by forcing airlines to add seats to planes by making each have less room to make up for super discount fares. We did this by chasing the absolute lowest fare via web search engines.
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I agree with you in general but LAEC was already paying all those fees and those jobs started at $20/hr. Itâs a city owned facility and the management company has to abide by city law.
When ASM took over 3 years ago they reportedly did e-verify all the employees but somehow 40 people managed to hang on to their jobs until the recent threats by ICE when they were magically discovered to be undocumented and fired. Clearly ASM knew or could have known had they cared to. The people who were fired were not paid out accrued leave which is in direct violation of the LA city employment laws. The remaining staff were told theyâd have to cover all the work and quite rightfully walked off on strike. ASM Global owned by private equity and billionaires- and whoever is managing the contract for the city of LA have walked away scot free, are barely even mentioned in the media. All the consequences fell on the most vulnerable people.
Boarders and people who were at LAEC during the fires, and who were helped by these staff, have quietly made good on what they can but were kicked off GoFundMe and other online platforms.
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Well Mardi has been a member since 2013
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So does anyone have an update on what trainers/owners are doing to solve the staffing problems? Just curious.
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