Love my huge imported warmblood

Slc2 honey…Remember be positive

I’m not sure where you’re getting your source of information from but every week when the results on DressageDirect come out exept for a few “baroque” breeds the entire score sheet is nothing but WB’s ! And WB’s don’t get the marks because they’re a fad, they get the marks because of their talent for the movement. As well, it doesn’t matter what breed a dressage horse is he does need “correct conformation and balance” . Why can’t you just be happy for the lady that she got her DREAMHORSE !

Good for you! Go and be successful. It is wonderful to be proud of your horse. And you read it all the time “why do all those old ladies buy big horses they can’t ride when a pony would suffice” (umm- ponies can dump you in 1.2 seconds…). It’s as common as people complaining about the hunter who buys a 6 figure packer and goes and wins. Or eventers upset at the person with tha gaul to buy the upper level retiree as a safe lower level packer.

And many of these people with nontraditional horses would in a heartbeat add one of those fancy horses to their string if they could! Honestly- you are lucky. I am sure you apprecfiate your fortune. If people are jealous, they need to get a grip and appreciate what they have.

Also- and this comes from hunters -and likely dressage sees it too. Breedism. Many times that competitor on the non traditional breed is not as experienced and lacks the knowledge of what judges look for. So the tense saddlebred, the QH that adds steps, the behind the bit tense TB get bad scores and it is due to performance… but so many times, people just complain that the warmblood won because the judge hates X breed. When the reality is the warmblood had a better performance.

Note: I own an OTTB who while huge lacks the big impressive gaits of warmbloods for dressage, but just might make a nice show hunter if the jump shapes up just right!

What pi–es people off is that owners of “huge imported warmbloods” never just say “my horse” !

OK, not everyone is jealous! Thats the problem right there! I have different tastes, Ill say so, does not mean Im jealous! Sometimes, huge imported WBs arent the best choice for some disciplines and some people, thats just reality, it does not make me jealous!

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I don’t think that there is any question that criticism of breeds occurs on this board, although I don’t know that the posts are daily. I have seen many references to “dumbbloods”[/QUOTE] I call mine dumb bloods. After all they aren’t exactly the quickest thinking breed of horse! I’d say it was a description not a criticism.

And trust me I bought and paid for mine because I wanted to own them and like them.

I also own shitland ponies and hairy boring black friesians though! so clearly have no taste.

bashing of draft crosses
Again I think you’re mistaking postings about draft crosses not necessarily being likely to be the best at certain disciplines for “bashing”.

I know, I know this is sacrilege and the majority of Warmblood owners and Draft cross owners believe that their horse is capable of anything and everything but… shock/horror… not true! … or at least not everyone agrees!!

I too have mutiple breeds but I won’t be entering my Dutch Warmbloods in a point to point and my thoroughbreds won’t be doing riding lessons for the disabled.

I guess I was sort of rambling, but what I am trying to say (not so successfully as I am only halfway through my AM coffee) is that all of us should think a little before we write anything critical here, and think about how it may make others on the board feel. Because when you bash “dumbbloods” (or some other kind of horse), you are bashing animals that some people on this board love.

For goodness sakes it’s just called personal preferance and choice. If you don’t like my choice, don’t worry I’ll get over it and my horse won’t give a fig!

I’m seriously wondering whether some folks need to go have a chat about neurosis and paranoia with a health care professional.

Congratulations on your horse - everyone should own a horse they enjoy riding, irregardless of the breed or size!

But - many of the threads I see start with putting down just about anything EXCEPT a Warmblood, pointing out that only the “Warmblood” is capable of sports disciplines, and only a breeding program oriented toward imported Warmblood lines is a valid sport horse breeding program. And that is where those who compete and/or breed something other than the traditional Hannoverian, Dutch WB, or Oldenburg jump in and point out there are plenty of Warmbloods who AREN’T anything special, and plenty of cases of people who have imported something that hasn’t turned out to be their dream horse (for whatever reasons). The quote that SLC made about the pounding WB was a quote that clearly came from someone who isn’t familiar with ANY of the sports disciplines, SLC, be honest and post the link to that thread, that was not the example of someone who pops up daily bashing WBs, it was almost funny by the time you got done reading it.

In EVERY thread, a few people will show up just to bash whatever they can find, and to keep the thread “lively”:rolleyes: but if you read what most of the posters have to say, it is good, genuine, information that some just aren’t willing to accept, and those others are usually quick to say “Only the WB is purpose bred”, “Only the WB can do upper level dressage”, “The WB has no flaws, they are perfect, all your other horses are lesser horses, and if you register with a U.S. registry, you are breeding garbage”, and of COURSE people will react to such posts.

The WB is not a perfect horse - and if any of you ever find a perfect horse (of ANY breed or type), please do let me know, I don’t believe such an animal exists. The WB is, in recent history, purpose bred for the sports - but so are other breeds. In some registries certain LINES are sport bred, or certain TYPES - and we are seeing more and more of these different breeds starting to be serious competitors. In some cases, non-traditional WB crosses are starting to prove serious competition in the show ring.

I think what most of us want the WB people to admit is that the WB is not the ONLY horse who can do sports, and that the Europeans don’t have a lock on the sport horse market. Heck, don’t admit it, just stop putting down everything else.

I show (dressage) a LOT, in a big, competitive area (California), and it is really sad and sometimes almost funny to listen to people. A few examples (names changed to protect the innocent):

Overheard from a couple of students of a BNT (her name emblazoned on their custom polos and jackets) “Oh, look at that horse going, he is lovely, obviously an import, look him up in the program”. Announcer makes the announcement, “now showing in Ring 3 is Made In The USA, an American Warmblood gelding by No One You’d Recognize out of Not Imported, ridden by Don T Havmoney”. The students looked at each other and said “Oh, he really isn’t all that nice, now that we’ve seen him go, yuck, just a backyard horse”. And walked away.

Someone I knew looking for a horse - her requirement, he must be big, 3 good gaits, going Training Level. I suggested she come look at a youngster I had - nicest mind, 3 great gaits, 16.2 hands and still growing, and big bodies. She was interested, then asked about his breeding - I told her he was a Friesian/Warmblood cross, looked like a big WB but a really NICE temperment. She looked like she’d sucked a lemon - “Oh, they are fun to watch, but you’d never catch me riding a Friesian”. A few months later, she imported a WB, got to ride him in one show, he’s HOT, and he’s been off most of the past year. The horse I was selling sold, unfortunately not to a show home, but is a solid riding partner for someone who was scared after being bucked off by her Hannoverian several times.
Someone else I know shows a Freisian cross as a Dutch WB cross because the first time she showed him as what he was, the judge told her afterwards, I don’t like Friesians. So now she shows him as a Dutch cross, and wins everything. Luckily, I think MOST judges are pretty open minded to any breed. I am NOT one who thinks BREEDS are discriminated against in the show ring (although there are a few judges I’ll avoid), I think people need to look at their own riding and training and the quality of their horse’s gaits.

I could go on and on with these stories, but in reality, those of us on non-traditional horses endure a ton of bashing, and we get tired of being second class citizens. In reality, I think the time is coming where people are starting to be comfortable showing something other than WBs. I see more and more of the Spanish horses, the Friesians, the various crosses doing really well at the mid-levels. And, once we see top TRAINERS and RIDERS on other breeds, I think we’ll see them at international levels. In all reality, a good horse is a good horse, but a good horse needs a good rider to reach his potential.

Enjoy your imported WB, be proud of him, ride him well, but please don’t look down on those who ride something different from you.

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What pi–es people off is that owners of “huge imported warmbloods” never just say “my horse” ![/QUOTE]
I know, it’s really sad.

I’d never get through the list if I had to do that. Just off to check on my “local tiny cheap as chips shitlands”, stabled next to the slightly larger "pretty Cymru equid, over the way from the “flashy tarty expensive hotblood” blah blah blah

Congratulations!

How wonderful you are able to get the horse of your dreams. I’ve had many horses that are my “dream horses”. I don’t require any horse to fulfill a dream of a particular type of riding, I just want them to be a lovely horse to ride and own. :slight_smile:

But since you started it, I will say I am annoyed when someone says “Oh, that’s an ASB cross? I thought he was a SWB”. Um… no, he is 100% all American and he doesn’t need to “look” like some type of WB to be a nice horse. Or when people would say “That’s a TB!!! OMG, I thought she was a WB, she sure moves like one!!!”. Grrr… no she doesn’t :mad: she “moves” like a TB from a good line of jumpers.

Why do they have to be a type of WB to have value? I look for horses that “I” like, not a particular breed. But I will shamelessly plug the STB, my guy is truely the best horse in the world. :cool:

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What pi–es people off is that owners of “huge imported warmbloods” never just say “my horse” ![/QUOTE]

I call mine my pony :stuck_out_tongue:

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How wonderful you are able to get the horse of your dreams. I’ve had many horses that are my “dream horses”. I don’t require any horse to fulfill a dream of a particular type of riding, I just want them to be a lovely horse to ride and own. :slight_smile:

But since you started it, I will say I am annoyed when someone says “Oh, that’s an ASB cross? I thought he was a SWB”. Um… no, he is 100% all American and he doesn’t need to “look” like some type of WB to be a nice horse. Or when people would say “That’s a TB!!! OMG, I thought she was a WB, she sure moves like one!!!”. Grrr… no she doesn’t :mad: she “moves” like a TB from a good line of jumpers.

Why do they have to be a type of WB to have value? I look for horses that “I” like, not a particular breed. But I will shamelessly plug the STB, my guy is truely the best horse in the world. :cool:[/QUOTE]

Hehehehe, my trainer is riding my boy in a clinic this weekend with an Olympic medalist, and he said if my horse was a solid color and had a Hanoverian or Westphalian brand, he’d be a very expensive horse, and even a Team horse. And that the expensive Warmblood would envy the power and hind end my boy has. I thought it was kind of funny - a top level rider and trainer making a commentary about the breed bias that exists.

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I totally support all of my colleagues, regardless of the breed or size of their horse. Please show me some support also.[/QUOTE]

Congratulations! Your horse wouldn’t suit me (he’d be too talented, for one thing ;)). But no matter the breed or discipline, I love it when someone gets the horse of her dreams. Enjoy!

And to anyone who has been insulted or looked down upon by snobs because you ride a non-WB – get over it. People like that are everywhere, in the horse world and other places. They are the losers for being such asses. Just go ride your horse.

Hey, thanks to all that wished me well with my horse. He is a Biotop out of a Caprimond mare. I actually bought him on this side of the pond, from an individual I trust greatly, who has a partner in Westfalia and imports regularly.

I would have been equally pleased to buy a domestic bred horse. I saw several bred here and imported. He was my preferred because, first he has a wonderful disposition. He is very rhythmic, three good gaits (not flashy, good)! As he is developing strength he is developing elasticity and suspension. He has lots of gas in the tank, I ride him with no spurs, just off the seat. He has been frankly incredibly ease to bring along, compared to my previous horses.

In three years I am further along, than in eight years with my previous horse. I have owned anglo arabs, tbs and wb crosses. I have loved them all. Only my experience with this horse has taught me, that bred and built for the job, makes things much easier.

Biotop x Caprimond, ey?
Gotcha a bit of Trakehner in there ey?
Would love to see pics.

Congrats on your horse. Sounds lovely.
I have all different types of horses from TB to those “big fancy dumbloods”…
I dont judge a horses breed… I judge how they move and work.
:wink:

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I’m not sure where you’re getting your source of information from but every week when the results on DressageDirect come out exept for a few “baroque” breeds the entire score sheet is nothing but WB’s ! And WB’s don’t get the marks because they’re a fad, they get the marks because of their talent for the movement. As well, it doesn’t matter what breed a dressage horse is he does need “correct conformation and balance” . Why can’t you just be happy for the lady that she got her DREAMHORSE ![/QUOTE]

Exactly. The bashing here occurs when certain posters cry over and over again about a bias in competition. I can’t get the scores because I don’t have a WB! It’s unfair! Waa Waaa! Another poster here had a great reply (sorry I can’t remember who) “Maybe you just suck.”

There’s always going to be a horse out there that’s better than yours, no matter what you have. I’ve had Hanoverians for almost twenty years now. Did I feel a pang of envy when women at my barn, with big bucks, imported gorgeous, upper level WBs? Or frustration when those women sailed up the levels? Much easier with a push button horse. Sure! But such is life. There’s always someone richer, slimmer, more beautiful, with more money and the ability to buy a better horse than yours.

It’s a personal journey for me. I would love to have the cash to spend on those kind of horses, but ultimately I’m very happy with my own American bred WB.

In three years I am further along, than in eight years with my previous horse. I have owned anglo arabs, tbs and wb crosses. I have loved them all. Only my experience with this horse has taught me, that bred and built for the job, makes things much easier.

It does and you’re lucky! I had a fellow boarder, upper level rider, who owns quite a few expensive WBs who said to me recently “You should have bought a schoolmaster instead of breeding. Just think how much farther you’d be today.” But I wouldn’t have experienced all that I have breeding my mare. To each his own.

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Hey, thanks to all that wished me well with my horse. He is a Biotop out of a Caprimond mare. I actually bought him on this side of the pond, from an individual I trust greatly, who has a partner in Westfalia and imports regularly.

I would have been equally pleased to buy a domestic bred horse. I saw several bred here and imported. He was my preferred because, first he has a wonderful disposition. He is very rhythmic, three good gaits (not flashy, good)! As he is developing strength he is developing elasticity and suspension. He has lots of gas in the tank, I ride him with no spurs, just off the seat. He has been frankly incredibly ease to bring along, compared to my previous horses.

In three years I am further along, than in eight years with my previous horse. I have owned anglo arabs, tbs and wb crosses. I have loved them all. Only my experience with this horse has taught me, that bred and built for the job, makes things much easier.[/QUOTE]

Lucky you:). What a nice cross for a Dressage horse. He should be very good. I think you are “discovering” what many people have discovered. That when the “job” is easier for the horse it gets a whole lot easier for the rider. It is quite exciting. Enjoy your guy and good luck with him.

As Stuart Smalley said, “Compare and despair!”

There will always be someone with more money, a nicer rig, a nicer horse, better hair, skinnier, etc. than you. It can’t be what motivates you or you are in for a lifetime of disappointment.

I’ve owned (in order) a grade pony, an appendix QH, a TB, another TB (whom I HATED), a draft cross, and now a WB cross. Each taught me immeasurable things along the way, each had pros and cons. But, hands down the dressage is “easiest” and I am progessing faster with the WB cross. Maybe this is because this one is a WB, maybe the others were not only “off breeds” but also ill suited for the work.

Regardless I continue to learn and have fun!

Regardless I continue to learn and have fun!

Yes! In my area, the land of the mega rich, I would be constantly depressed if I always compared. I went to watch another trainer (famous person) at a very expensive barn with a friend recently. My god if I compared, I’d probably have to shoot myself. Beautiful people with beautiful horses. I put all that out of my mind and got a lot out of watching the lesson though. Keeping up with the Jones’ is a never ending, constantly frustrating game. I like to think I’m pretty zen about my horse situation. Try to do as well as we can and always have fun while doing it.

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What pi–es people off is that owners of “huge imported warmbloods” never just say “my horse” ![/QUOTE]

Well I’m an exception to your rule (and that’s the sort of sweeping generalization that feels like bashing, along with the accusations that everyone who has the commenter’s idea of an “expensive, fancy horse” only wants a status symbol to impress other people.)

Being a private person, I’ve never voluntarily told anyone what my horse’s breed is, or what he cost or where he came from. But I get asked about it frequently. I just say something vague unless the person is a close friend.

Frankly I’ve never met a person with an expensive horse who was trying to impress people with it. I’ve met a lot of people who are proud of their horses, be they OTTB rescues or high-dollar stallions, and gladly tell me about them if I express interest. Are they trying to impress me? Maybe so. I guess it’s my problem if that bothers me.

I think some people are missing the fundamental difference between comparing oneself to others and having others constantly bring up the comparison.

I can watch my trainer ride her WB, and they are lovely together. I’ve ridden him, too, and he is a fun ride. But I don’t want to own him. He’s not my type of horse. My TB and my Arab suit my personality and my equine preferences much better, and I don’t need to compare them to everyone else’s horses in order to enjoy them.

The problem is that other horse people feel the need to expound on why my horses (particularly the Arab - since I event, a TB is pretty much par for the course ;)) are not as good as their WBs. And while I don’t ultimately care what random strangers think, it is at the same time depressing to hear denigrating remarks over and over.

I’m not, mind you, complaining of any bias in judging. If it’s there, I haven’t experienced/noticed it, at least at the lowest of the low levels where I’m currently playing. (Heck, I’m far more irritated by the bias towards horses who have their faces on the vertical regardless of whether they are actually moving correctly - and heaven knows THAT transcends breed! ;)) And, like I said, I’m an eventer: whether or not the dressage judges have a breed bias, the fences sure as heck don’t! :winkgrin:

It would just be nice to hear once in awhile, “She’s a nice horse,” instead of, “She’s a nice horse…for an Arab.” :sigh:

Well, this happens within the WB breeds as well.

I recently met and talked briefly with a local breeder of some (admittedly) nice WB horses. In conversation, it came out that I had a WB of a certain line.

Then she started in with how that line was crap and all had weak hind ends, and so and so stud ruins the walk, blah blah blah.

Let’s just say I won’t be breeding to her stud, nice or not.:wink: