Love my huge imported warmblood

[canticle]

What is she talking about now? :lol::lol::lol:

A little loose skin or a cresty neck isn’t going to be anywhere near as much a problem as the steeply sloped croup, cow hocks, long back, immense mass around the shoulders, deep, heavy girth line, low set neck with an immense amount of mass, short front legs, cow hocks, tiny, narrow, weak hind quarters, completely incorrect overall proportions, crooked legs and feet, or the many, many other traits that hold horses back from developing advanced collection and prevent them from being able to withstand years of daily riding.

slick, many fancy imported horses succeed in spite of all of these faults. And most importantly, their owners love them. What exactly are you trying to suggest? When people choose different breeds, does someone have to be wrong?

[FancyFree]

Your horse isn’t all that likely to asphyxiate himself unless he hangs around at certain parties

:lol:

[JSwan]

[QUOTE=Kementari;3717903]
:lol:

(It’s amazing how big an insult people find it when others simply don’t care one way or the other how rich they are - either monetarily or materially.)[/QUOTE]

Yeah really. A nice horse is a nice horse. If a person is able to purchase the horse of their dreams - that’s wonderful and I hope they’re happy till the end of their days. The breeding or training of that horse is going to differ and there’s nothing wrong with that. That sort of boasting is just plain tasteless. Very bad manners.

I guess there will always be people who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

(for the record - everything I wrote in that post is true except for the part about money. I have no idea what her net worth is, mine is in the toilet just like everyone else in the US, and finally - who cares!!! :lol:)

[mp]

@Ambrey;3718024

Actually, in person everyone is really nice about my horse. It’s only here that I’ve heard the snide comments, such as how he asphyxiates when he goes on the bit because of his neck or is very slow, stiff, and dull (clearly people who have never actually MET my horse and are making comments based entirely on stereotypes).

Pffft – why do you care what people you’ve never met think? What I was asking about is actual in person, face to face comments. Such as one horse person walking up to another and saying “nice horse … oh wait, not a warmblood – sorry, but eeeeeeuuuuuwwww.”

And I’m having a hard time imagining anyone having the balls to do that. Not saying it hasn’t ever happened, just that it’s never happened to me. And, believe me, I’m in the minority – at the barn and at shows.

[Kementari]

@mp;3718499

Pffft – why do you care what people you’ve never met think? What I was asking about is actual in person, face to face comments. Such as one horse person walking up to another and saying “nice horse … oh wait, not a warmblood – sorry, but eeeeeeuuuuuwwww.”

And I’m having a hard time imagining anyone having the balls to do that. Not saying it hasn’t ever happened, just that it’s never happened to me. And, believe me, I’m in the minority – at the barn and at shows.

I have been asked, to my face, when I was going to sell my Arab so that I could get “a real horse.”

I have been asked many more times (also to my face) when I was going to sell her, with the implication that her size and breed were inadequate, but thankfully just the once with the “real horse” comment. So far, anyway.

Of course, New Englanders have a reputation for, um, bluntness.

[canticle]

I have been asked when I was going to “move up.” That type of person doesn’t mean any harm. They just don’t get it.

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

Guys, COME ON!!! Who cares? REALLY? I do not see what all of this fussing is about and why this thread is so damn long now. I think Bronte is entitled to brag, it is her dream come true. I respect that because Frodo is my DREAM COME TRUE!!! There is NO REASON why she should not be proud if that is what she has been dreaming about all of her life. Come on. Those of you who don’t care, DON’T READ! Simple as that. I do not think she is trying to be snotty, she was TRYING to make a POINT! Those of you bickering over this are PROVING her point. If your dream is to have an AWESOME trail horse whom you could take ANYWHERE because you want to SEE THE WORLD on horse back and you finally found that dream horse and he cost you $100, I think YOU’D be JUST as proud. It was her dream to own a nice WB and ride dressage on this nice WB, WONDERFUL. I happen to have a similar dream. That does NOT make me a snob, that does NOT make me the kind of person who looks down on other breeds and it does NOT make me materialistic. It makes me JUST AS STINKING HAPPY with my guy as the diamond in the rough $100 super trail horse you found makes you happy. The bottom line is, HAPPINESS! Some of us are happy competing, some of us are happy riding dressage and NOT competing, some of us want to do multiple disciplines but ALL of us want to be around/ride horses because it makes us happy. Just let it be, aren’t we all in it for the love of horses? Is a cowboys love for his horse different than a dressage rider’s love for her horse? (Well, ok, I love my horses more than ANYONE ELSE loves their horses, but, I am not judging. :winkgrin: )

I am just as happy for those who have their $$$$ WBs as I am for those who love the snot out of their PMUs, despite the fact that the PMU did not cost $$$$. Come on now, group hug please!

[Sabine]

[QUOTE=Bugs-n-Frodo;3718605]
Guys, COME ON!!! Who cares? REALLY? I do not see what all of this fussing is about and why this thread is so damn long now. I think Bronte is entitled to brag, it is her dream come true. I respect that because Frodo is my DREAM COME TRUE!!! There is NO REASON why she should not be proud if that is what she has been dreaming about all of her life. Come on. Those of you who don’t care, DON’T READ! Simple as that. I do not think she is trying to be snotty, she was TRYING to make a POINT! Those of you bickering over this are PROVING her point. If your dream is to have an AWESOME trail horse whom you could take ANYWHERE because you want to SEE THE WORLD on horse back and you finally found that dream horse and he cost you $100, I think YOU’D be JUST as proud. It was her dream to own a nice WB and ride dressage on this nice WB, WONDERFUL. I happen to have a similar dream. That does NOT make me a snob, that does NOT make me the kind of person who looks down on other breeds and it does NOT make me materialistic. It makes me JUST AS STINKING HAPPY with my guy as the diamond in the rough $100 super trail horse you found makes you happy. The bottom line is, HAPPINESS! Some of us are happy competing, some of us are happy riding dressage and NOT competing, some of us want to do multiple disciplines but ALL of us want to be around/ride horses because it makes us happy. Just let it be, aren’t we all in it for the love of horses? Is a cowboys love for his horse different than a dressage rider’s love for her horse? (Well, ok, I love my horses more than ANYONE ELSE loves their horses, but, I am not judging. :winkgrin: )

I am just as happy for those who have their $$$$ WBs as I am for those who love the snot out of their PMUs, despite the fact that the PMU did not cost $$$$. Come on now, group hug please![/QUOTE]

great post B&F- the kind of maturity I would have wanted to read about a while ago!
The beauty of this sport is that it is available for everyone to be experienced and felt and enjoyed…and the assumption that ‘certain’ folks look down on others- is IMO not justified nor appropriate. I have a ‘Bronte’ horse and a ‘off-breed’ horse…do you think I look down on myself when I sit on the big WB…haha!!! what a crazy thought!

To be honest- at times I really have a hard time knowing which one is the ‘better’ one…(it switches regularly) and I sure as hell can not figure out which one I love more…:)!

[Ambrey]

@slc2;3718237

A little loose skin or a cresty neck isn’t going to be anywhere near as much a problem as the steeply sloped croup, cow hocks, long back, immense mass around the shoulders, deep, heavy girth line, low set neck with an immense amount of mass, short front legs, cow hocks, tiny, narrow, weak hind quarters, completely incorrect overall proportions, crooked legs and feet, or the many, many other traits that hold horses back from developing advanced collection and prevent them from being able to withstand years of daily riding.

Except none of those are actually true of my horse either, and I’m told… ad nauseum…that they are.

Because the ravings of the internet pundits about what a horse can or cannot accomplish appear strangely innacurate, at least from my point of view. And that is what makes the off breed owners want to scream- a bunch of people who own warmbloods and have decided that no horse that doesn’t meet that ideal is capable of dressage above the (said with a snort and a sniff) LOWER LEVELS.

(and LOL again, the wild and crazy claims I was making were that my horse was capable of doing some 3rd level stuff. ABSOLUTELY INSANE for a mudblood, I’m sure!)

[canticle]

@Ambrey;3718657

Except none of those are actually true of my horse either, and I’m told… ad nauseum…that they are.

Wait, I thought slick was describing WBs? :lol:

[Ambrey]

@canticle;3718670

Wait, I thought slick was describing WBs? :lol:

Only the ones I could afford :lol::lol:

[FancyFree]

I have been asked, to my face, when I was going to sell my Arab so that I could get “a real horse.”

I guess rudeness happens to everyone. I own a WB. I was recently asked by the owner of multiple WBs why I didn’t spend the money I spent breeding my mare on buying a schoolmaster. I would have been so much farther along, she said. She can’t understand that competition isn’t all that important to me. Not downing that, but that wasn’t my goal in breeding my mare. For me it’s been the journey for us. Me and my horse. I had hoped to still have my mare, but that wasn’t to be. I’ve known my horse since she was just born. I got there five minutes after she hit the ground. It’s kind of a cool thing to go on this road. I have a closeness with her that I’ve never had with any other animal. To a competitive person, this doesn’t mean a lot. Different strokes for different folks.

And really, it all comes out in the scores in the end doesn’t it? If you have a great off-breed, I’m sure that will be reflected in your scores. If you have a WB but are a crappy rider, that will show up in your scores as well. I’m always interested in the results of people who talk up their horses a lot. Sometimes it turns out that it was just a bunch of hot air. But the majority of the time those people never get around to actually showing. :lol:

[Sudi_s_Girl]

[QUOTE=Kementari;3718535]
I have been asked, to my face, when I was going to sell my Arab so that I could get “a real horse.”

I have been asked many more times (also to my face) when I was going to sell her, with the implication that her size and breed were inadequate, but thankfully just the once with the “real horse” comment. So far, anyway.

Of course, New Englanders have a reputation for, um, bluntness.[/QUOTE]

Hehe…my BO asks me this (tongue in cheek though). She’s been tired recently of my greenie Arabian beating out her fancy WB who was bred by a BN breeder. But it’s not eating her up at night - and me either when she beats me. Fair is fair - if your horse out performs mine, then good for you!! (And plus, she’s my friend - I’m definitely gonna cheer her on!)

Some people just have different goals with their horses than I do. I know of one woman who bought a WB and then immediately shipped her off to a BNT who trained the mare up through GP. The owner would make monthly visits to see the mare where she’d take a couple lessons, go to a show at the end of the week, and then most of the time, win. That worked for her; good for her. That was her goal with this mare, and she made it.

What I LOVE about horses is the training - understanding why something does or doesn’t work for my horse. Getting a concept. Watching him mature and love his job. That’s what makes me happy.

I’m happy for Bronte. Do I look down on her for posting about her new WB? Nah - plenty of people like to post brags about their most recent accomplishments. Have fun - enjoy your new pony!! I wish you the best!

[Carolinadreamin]

Because the ravings of the internet pundits about what a horse can or cannot accomplish appear strangely innacurate, at least from my point of view. And that is what makes the off breed owners want to scream- a bunch of people who own warmbloods and have decided that no horse that doesn’t meet that ideal is capable of dressage above the (said with a snort and a sniff) LOWER LEVELS.

Pardon me, but WHO CARES what people on the internet comment on about your horse? The proof is in the riding. I don’t give a rat’s ass what someone thinks about my horse. I ride, train and show to reach the best of his and my ability. I don’t have time for pettiness from insecure individuals who are only riding to receive strokes and praise from others. A true horseman appreciates greatness achieved in any type of horse, to the best of its abilities. All this other stuff mentioned here is sour grapes. Who are you riding for?? You or others?!

If your horse makes you happy, let this other stuff go. Get out and ride and enjoy yourself.

Ambrey, you have a wonderful, gorgeous horse. The two of you have years (if that’s what you want) of learning ahead of you, and to me that’s the fun of riding…the challenge of it. Ignore the judging and everything else, and just go ride!

[mp]

[QUOTE=Kementari;3718535]
I have been asked, to my face, when I was going to sell my Arab so that I could get “a real horse.”

I have been asked many more times (also to my face) when I was going to sell her, with the implication that her size and breed were inadequate, but thankfully just the once with the “real horse” comment. So far, anyway.

Of course, New Englanders have a reputation for, um, bluntness.[/QUOTE]

The horse in your profile? They’re not just blunt, they’re stupid, too. I’m sure some of the reticence is Midwestern niceness. It’s a long walk to the beach and a helluva hike to the mountains from here, but people do tend to be polite, even if they think you’re crazy.

I get teased about my Arabs (I board at a barn full of stock horses), especially when they do the look ‘n’ snort thing. But that comes from good friends, and I give as good as I get. From the dressage folks at shows, I never hear anything negative. Mostly it’s what a cute horse (he’s quite the personality) or what a beautiful face ( he was a halter champion in his younger days and won big fancy coolers for that gorgeous head). Of course, they probably think we’ll never be a threat to them. And they’re probably right. :lol:

FancyFree, I bred my horse, too. I was the first human to see him, the first to touch him, put a halter on him, load him on a trailer, etc etc. (I let someone younger and more nimble do the first ride, though ;)) I’ve been riding him now for four years and I do have a special bond with him. I hope you have as much fun with your mare as I’m having with my gelding.

[sisu27]

I used to board at a place with a dressage BNR. I like this person, she is a good horseman and a decent human being. She knew my horse when he was a neurotic, dangerous mess and has no difficulty saying she appreciates him for what he has become. She gets that we don’t and will never do pure dressage and that my horse needs to be able to hack and gallop and jump to earn his keep with me. He does that and then some. Yet the response I described to finding out his breeding has happened numerous times from her students. I find it humerous. The olympic level dressage rider gets it and is just happy to see a happy horse and his happy human doing what they love but the LL crowd is quite unpleasant. This was just my experience. I don’t expect every crowd of DQs to behave the same way but to be honest the posts on this forum don’t encourage one to think otherwise.

[QUOTE=mp;3717857]
I just have to ask you folks who get all the attitude about your non-WBs: Do you seek out a-holes and snobs or are they somehow attracted to you? Because I cannot in my wildest dreams imagine anyone coming up to me and acting like that. And if they did, I’d laugh them out of the place.

Are people in the midwest just nicer and they’re thinking it but not saying it? Have I been lucky enough to hang around people who appreciate a nice horse no matter the breed? Or do I simply have the “does not suffer a-holes and snobs gladly” look so they don’t bother? Because this has never, ever happened to me and I do not, nor will I ever, own a warmblood, not that I have anything against them.

Some enlightenment. Please.[/QUOTE]

[Ambrey]

@Carolinadreamin';3719157

Ambrey, you have a wonderful, gorgeous horse. The two of you have years (if that’s what you want) of learning ahead of you, and to me that’s the fun of riding…the challenge of it. Ignore the judging and everything else, and just go ride!

LOL, well that’s the problem, isn’t it? When I can’t ride and am stuck on the computer, I don’t get my gorgeous horse time and everything gets to me.

You know, horse smell is soul food. My soul is starving! The end of this semester can NOT come soon enough (Friday! Woohoo!).

p.s. The same could be said to the OP, of course. Enjoy your horse. Besides the fact that he’s “just a horse,” he’s also “a horse” in the sense of that soul feeding, wonderful smelling, hairy beast that makes your heart smile. The only people who will judge your breed are people who aren’t in it for the same reasons, right?

[johnnysauntie]

I love your big fancy Warmblood too

And your cool foundation appy Prelim eventer, and your hairy little “hony”. I personally ride a TB because he’s the horse for me. But I love seeing you work with your horses, and enjoy watching how different riders have developed different partnerships with their horses.

That said, I think I get it now - I got to ride an 18hh+ Freisian X when in the UK last year, and I think I found the girl’s equivalent of the monster truck. My lord, but that was a fun ride.

So as I put my ole ex-racer away, I can’t help but admire his giant, noble WB neighbors!

I guess my point is, your horse is your personal choice, and who am I to judge!

[Mozart]

Good lord. Bronte is not bragging. All she is saying is respect my choices like I respect yours.

Anyone who thinks she is bragging is a bit over sensitive, imo.

[mp]

[QUOTE=sisu27;3719294]
I used to board at a place with a dressage BNR. I like this person, she is a good horseman and a decent human being. She knew my horse when he was a neurotic, dangerous mess and has no difficulty saying she appreciates him for what he has become. She gets that we don’t and will never do pure dressage and that my horse needs to be able to hack and gallop and jump to earn his keep with me. He does that and then some. Yet the response I described to finding out his breeding has happened numerous times from her students. I find it humerous. The olympic level dressage rider gets it and is just happy to see a happy horse and his happy human doing what they love but the LL crowd is quite unpleasant. This was just my experience. I don’t expect every crowd of DQs to behave the same way but to be honest the posts on this forum don’t encourage one to think otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Awww, c’mon. Other than a few who get wedgies over some pretty odd things and a few who blather on and on and on about their expertise in sooo many areas, this forum ain’t so bad. Of course, I have a rather long “ignore” list, too. :lol:

And isn’t it interesting that the most knowledgeable horse people seem to be the ones most likely to “get it.” While those who are hung up on breed, looks, equipment, etc, seem to be the pretenders.

Mozart - :yes: That’s it exactly.