Lunging question

[BaroquePony]

Not meaning to be disrespectful in any mannner, but I would not run the lunge line through the inside bit ring and then under the chin through the other bit ring and then up and over the poll back down through the inside ring.

By doing that you are going to be putting pressure on you snaffle as if it had sort of a curb chain on it and you may be pulling the bit in a way that is going to bring action on the tongue or bars when you don’t want it to.

Just run the line through the inside ring then over the poll and clip it to the outside ring.

The use of side reins will keep the bit pressure going to the rear (as if there was a rider in the saddle) when you put pressure on your lunge line. The outside side rein lets you develop a correct action with the bit using your longe line as the inside rein when lunging.

[Icecapade]

[QUOTE=BaroquePony;3902210]
Not meaning to be disrespectful in any mannner, but I would not run the lunge line through the inside bit ring and then under the chin through the other bit ring and then up and over the poll back down through the inside ring.

By doing that you are going to be putting pressure on you snaffle as if it had sort of a curb chain on it and you may be pulling the bit in a way that is going to bring action on the tongue or bars when you don’t want it to.

Just run the line through the inside ring then over the poll and clip it to the outside ring.

The use of side reins will keep the bit pressure going to the rear (as if there was a rider in the saddle) when you put pressure on your lunge line. The outside side rein lets you develop a correct action with the bit using your longe line as the inside rein when lunging.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I go inside over the poll and down to the outside thats how I do it… I find it odd to wrap a line all the way around.

[goeslikestink]

must admit when i do over the poll iam of the same didnt realise till you pointed it out anyways

look here http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://lorienstable.com/articles/handling/300-lunging/basic_lunging.png&imgrefurl=http://lorienstable.com/articles/handling/300-lunging/&usg=_CFpyDXKH9RdxEUD9C-3hfTA0Ow=&h=254&w=257&sz=4&hl=en&start=12&sig2=b4Or-iSxnv24_xjyg4EUoQ&um=1&tbnid=2dROYp7qaGhgNM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=112&ei=jsmkSYGZFtSHjAe-0v21Bg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlunging%2Ba%2Bhorse%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DX

[slc2]

A great many very, very successful, experienced and classical trainers and competitive riders with international medals who are extremely good trainers, attach the longe line to the bit ring directly and get very, very good results. And very few people use cavesons.

I actually used to have a longeing caveson and used it exclusively whenever I longed, because the Spanish Riding School used it. Though yes, I knew all the rappinghood about it and could recite that.

After quite some time I decided they were not necessary and have several disadvantages.

"I would not run the lunge line through the inside bit ring and then under the chin through the other bit ring and then up and over the poll back down through the inside ring. "

I agree. I am not comfortable with doing that.

It can get a horse to panic if he feels a pull on both sides of his mouth.

I prefer to have everything I use as simple as possible. It is far more likely that the horse panic and take off if the longe line puts pressure on both sides of the mouth. If the horse acts up, I can release pressure much more quickly and clearly and probably prevent a meltdown, with the longe line fastened directly.

And the horse is far less likely to panic if the longe line is only attached on one side.

I would far rather use correctly adjusted side reins, which will not shorten and pull more if the horse runs away or bolts, and the technique used with the longe line itself, to help with the straightness and bending of the horse.

I would rather try something else, and if the horse is pulling that bad, I doubt having a pull on both sides of his mouth will help. In fact it would give the horse a much more fixed object to pull against.

The other reason I would not generally put the longe over the head is that I feel it dulls the horse’s mouth because of the constant pressure on both sides, basically its advantage (pull on both sides of the bit) is what I see as its biggest disadvantage. Side reins, properly used, remove the need for the longe line over the head.

[angel]

I love the way people who have never tried the use of something is able to tell everyone what it does or does not do.:yes: However, from having “tried” attaching the line to only one bit ring, I can tell you that horses do panic, and when they do, not only do you have no control, but you also have the bit pulled partly through the horse’s mouth.

[ideayoda]

Unless, of course, it is a full cheek.

[Couture_TB]

I am a huge fan of long lining and doing in hand work with horses that are crooked. Make sure that you learn from a person who does it well though. All of our horses are started in long lines and in hand. Then they move on to neck stretchers of different lengths made out of surgical tubing as it is more giving then elastic, and then they move on to side reins made of surgical tubing. The neck stretchers work great if used in the right lenght and set either lowest hole of your surcingle or between their legs, for getting the horse to stretch and round but not go behind the bridle. I only use the side reins on my horses that are working collection. On the more advanced horses I use one side rein on the outside for a steady rein and then run the lunge line through the bit and to the surcingle for a giving and taking inside rein.

[Flying_Hill]

[QUOTE=GaellentQuest;3907552]
…run the lunge line through the bit and to the surcingle for a giving and taking inside rein.[/QUOTE]

I recently learned this technique from a dressage trainer at my barn and it has made a world of difference (positive!) in how well my horses lunge. When I do this, I use a side rein on the outside.

[goeslikestink]

[QUOTE=angel;3907471]
I love the way people who have never tried the use of something is able to tell everyone what it does or does not do.:yes: However, from having “tried” attaching the line to only one bit ring, I can tell you that horses do panic, and when they do, not only do you have no control, but you also have the bit pulled partly through the horse’s mouth.[/QUOTE]

sorry angel not me then haha
perhaps have a look at my helpful pages and see the last but one page its all about lunging

http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=178116

[goeslikestink]

look here how to use side reins also click on same page on side bar for a lunging diagram http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classicaldressage.co.uk%2Fhtml%2Fside_reins.html&ei=XuKlSaSRDKTJjAejyqHHBQ&usg=AFQjCNGvfR9gYjd5iHrNGipakvE566wViQ&sig2=FyAC1dWU2YLfqGOy8A7ecA
also check out my helpful links page there is a page all about lunging
also has other useful info
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=178116

[goeslikestink]

[QUOTE=slc2;3906920]
A great many very, very successful, experienced and classical trainers and competitive riders with international medals who are extremely good trainers, attach the longe line to the bit ring directly and get very, very good results. And very few people use cavesons.

urm no most international riders accredited trianers and expreinced horse people wouldnt attach the line to the same side as the horse
as why make more work for yourself one should never work harder than the horse
its a big no no also could pull the bit ring through the mouth and would make him or sore

as for lunge caversson a lot more people use them than you give them credit for

I actually used to have a longeing caveson and used it exclusively whenever I longed, because the Spanish Riding School used it. Though yes, I knew all the rappinghood about it and could recite that.

whoopee so they do so does a lot of other people your not alone

After quite some time I decided they were not necessary and have several disadvantages.

as in—

"I would not run the lunge line through the inside bit ring and then under the chin through the other bit ring and then up and over the poll back down through the inside ring. "

there are many ways to lunge a horse a previous poster has her way which is used by others theres also another way which bp surgested and also threadng the line from near side bit ring underchin and attaching it to the other side

I agree. I am not comfortable with doing that. thats your opnion and view

It can get a horse to panic if he feels a pull on both sides of his mouth.
please explain how

I prefer to have everything I use as simple as possible. It is far more likely that the horse panic and take off if the longe line puts pressure on both sides of the mouth. If the horse acts up, I can release pressure much more quickly and clearly and probably prevent a meltdown, with the longe line fastened directly.

urm no you are more likely to have a horse act up , either pull rear , spook or come and mown you down you would have no control of the horse to be able to step behind and shove him forwards and out of your way again

And the horse is far less likely to panic if the longe line is only attached on one side.

no-- the horse would have the advantage

I would far rather use correctly adjusted side reins, which will not shorten and pull more if the horse runs away or bolts, and the technique used with the longe line itself, to help with the straightness and bending of the horse.

should be used in trot and canter work and should be unclipped until ready to use
a young horse might find it hard to begin with where as an advanced horse wouldnt

I would rather try something else, and if the horse is pulling that bad, I doubt having a pull on both sides of his mouth will help. In fact it would give the horse a much more fixed object to pull against.

i dont think you understand the art of lunging - if you center as in the apex of the triangle
and horse goes to pull outwards then you take a step towards his quarters to move him forwards and back on the track the object is to form the perfect circle

if a horse pulls outwards and you have him connected to the same side you lunging from
your asking for trouble as the horse has the advantage as explained already

The other reason I would not generally put the longe over the head is that I feel it dulls the horse’s mouth because of the constant pressure on both sides, basically its advantage (pull on both sides of the bit) is what I see as its biggest disadvantage. Side reins, properly used, remove the need for the longe line over the head.[/QUOTE]

explained already-- be long rein side reins or lunge line you should use them as you use your reins so no pressure you still work the horse butt to poll to a relaxed yaw

the lunge line shouldnt be slack but tuat so you have the contact

you really are a novice