Lyme vaccine side effects

[Ladylexie]

@vxf111

You don’t have to be a veterinarian to understand basic science. Google and see if you can find any credible scientific evidence in the WORLD that a lyme vaccination can pull bacteria from the blood of a dog. Surely if this were true, someone would have published a paper or made some mention of it in a peer-reviewed scientific journal?

Quite clearly you just came here to pick a fight/argue. It’s your dog. Hopefully it’ll be okay and you just misunderstood your vet!?!

Yup I just wanted to pick a fight you caught me again!

[Ladylexie]

@S1969

Oh please, no one is being nasty.

There is no “new” Lyme vaccine that will change the positive exposure on the SNAP test. This is an area of controversy - whether or not a dog that is positive for Lyme is “immune” to Lyme in the future or not. My vet and I have discussed this because I live in a tick infested area and have treated dogs for Lyme twice and Anaplasmosis once. My 7 year old dog is still positive for Anaplasmosis on the 4DX test even though he was treated for it over a year ago. Now it is difficult to know whether or not to even bother testing him because we know that will show up as positive for some time…but the other panels are still useful so we will probably continue to test him and only plan to treat for symptoms, not test results.

I do give the Lyme vaccine to my dogs, even those that have tested positive for Lyme in the past, because it is not clear whether previous exposure provide immunity or not. The Lyme vaccine is not 100% effective (probably not even 75% effective). But dogs like mine that run off lead through fields daily have a high risk for tickborne illnesses so we give the vaccine anyway. And use tick preventatives, and do routine tick checks, etc. etc.

Rather than be offended at people who are actually trying to help, maybe you could consider that you simply misunderstood your vet. It can actually happen, and no one is at fault. It’s called being human. Your vet may have felt that your dogs’ risk for Lyme was high because they had been previously exposed, and that the vaccine was appropriate.

I would still be concerned about the lethargy reaction, and would make sure your vet records this in your dogs’ files for future vaccines.

I discussed this multiple times with my vet…you are not a vet.

[Ladylexie]

Note to self never ask dog questions here again they always go bad. I blame myself for thinking anyone would do anything other than attack me.

[S1969]

So did you call your vet about the side effects? Why bother coming here if you don’t trust anyone that is not a vet?

I hope some of the COTH vets chime in. Meanwhile, I’ll make a note to ask my vet about this “new” vaccine. Although I don’t understand why a vet would want to eliminate the positive snap response. It is simply an indication of exposure. Something doesn’t make sense here.

[vxf111]

I think it is for the best that you not ask questions here

[horsenut_8700]

If your vet really stated that a vaccine would pull the bacteria from the blood you need to find yourself a new vet asap! Being tired or sore after a vaccine is a normal side effect; some dogs are more sensitive than others. My chihuahua miz always was sore for a day or so after her lyme vaccine; the Labs never have an issue.

[ThrillRide]

Hello Ladylexie , Just joined this forum to respond to your post. Stumbled upon your post searching for information as 2 of my dogs just had their first Nobivac Lyme vaccine yesterday. The border collie was none the worse for it but the pomeranian showed extreme lethargy and tenderness on the side he received the shot to the extent he would not even put his front leg down to walk and yelped in pain if any pressure was put behind his shoulder. Did finally get him to eat his most of his dinner last night after repeated attempts.

First thing this morning I took him back to the vet (they received the vaccines there yesterday). Determined his fever was 103.5. Put him on Rimadyl twice a day for next several days and vet recommend NOT getting his second shot (typically due in 3 weeks). Instead vet suggested to be very vigilant with other tick preventatives either oral or topical. He ate his breakfast and is now resting more comfortably.

Hope your dogs are on the mend. On a side note it is not unusual for a dog that has tested positive to be given the vaccine and perhaps this video will shed some light on how the Nobivac vaccine functions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbXBKVMdtNc [h=3][/h]

[CanadianTrotter]

@Ladylexie

Note to self never ask dog questions here again they always go bad. I blame myself for thinking anyone would do anything other than attack me.

You must be either unhappy or bored.

You did not explain yourself properly and those who responded were confused with the information you gave.

When they asked for clarity and proper explanations you called them awful and nasty, then continued with sarcasm and insults.

Did you get the reactions you were looking for with your head game? Are you now happy and amused?

[DrBeckett]

I’ve been a vet for 16 years. I have never heard of such a vaccine of any kind that pulls bacteria out of the blood. That is not how vaccines work. They stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies and white blood cells to destroy the bacteria. I’m not going into whether Lyme vaccines are useful or not. Others have gone over that in detail and did a great job.

[CanadianTrotter]

@DrBeckett

I’ve been a vet for 16 years. I have never heard of such a vaccine of any kind that pulls bacteria out of the blood.

I’ve never heard of any such vaccine myself. Either it’s a new “wonder vaccine”, the vets a quack or the OP is hearing voices.

If it is a new type of vaccine I would love to see the academic proof of it.

[LauraKY]

@Ladylexie

Note to self never ask dog questions here again they always go bad. I blame myself for thinking anyone would do anything other than attack me.

How very bizarre.

[Marshfield]

@Ladylexie

OK you must be right my vet and I made it all up…you caught me…congratulations.

I’m wondering how long you have been a vet?

Almost 15 years. There is NO lyme vaccine which is a treatment. An active infection still requires antibiotics. A positive snap test certainly verifies that you live in an at risk area and utilizing the vaccine going forward might be helpful

[DrBeckett]

Just spoke with a veterinary virologist who says that the bacteria actually travels more through the connective tissue rather than the blood, so it doesn’t really make sense that a vaccine would pull bacteria “out of the blood.”

[Simkie]

Perhaps one of the vets here would like to call and have a friendly professional chat with Acton Animal Hospital about how they’re representing the lyme vaccine?

http://actonanimalhospital.com/

@Ladylexie

I did not give any vaccines myself not sure where people came up with that. My vet gave the vaccine and said this would take care of the positve lyme test. ALL ALL of the shots are being given by Acton animal hospital. My only question was any side effects other people suffered…

[S1969]

@Simkie

Perhaps one of the vets here would like to call and have a friendly professional chat with Acton Animal Hospital about how they’re representing the lyme vaccine?

http://actonanimalhospital.com/

You’re assuming that is what they really said. It IS possible that the dog owner didn’t understand. It’s not hard to get mixed up when managing two dogs in a vet clinic. I used to try to bring two at a time but it wasn’t worth it; I like being able to concentrate on one dog and have all my questions answered without rushing.

I find it very hard to believe a vet actually said that the Lyme vaccine would remove the Lyme bacteria from an infected or exposed dog.

[Simkie]

@S1969

You’re assuming that is what they really said. It IS possible that the dog owner didn’t understand. It’s not hard to get mixed up when managing two dogs in a vet clinic. I used to try to bring two at a time but it wasn’t worth it; I like being able to concentrate on one dog and have all my questions answered without rushing.

I find it very hard to believe a vet actually said that the Lyme vaccine would remove the Lyme bacteria from an infected or exposed dog.

I don’t doubt that something was misunderstood, but if ANYONE takes away that a vaccine will pull anything out of the blood, more briefing is needed on how to communicate with clients. And perhaps a handout. That sort of misunderstanding/miscommunication is just super concerning. I’d think any vet would like to know that a client was that confused about the message. And also that a client was representing that such an incorrect message was being communicated to the world at large.

[DrBeckett]

Studies have shown that people retain about 10% of the information said in an appointment, both human and veterinary. It’s not at all unusual for people to hear things and not understand or mishear. I’ve have hundreds of people come to my ER with My Vet Said “something outrageous!.” And that’s not at all what was said. I’ve had the opposite happen to me. People will tell their referring vet that I said something that I never said. We (veterinarians) know this happens and take everything with a grain of salt.

[Ladylexie]

I have to make an appointment for my pups booster and I’m nervous.

[S1969]

@Ladylexie

I have to make an appointment for my pups booster and I’m nervous.

Did you ever discuss the dog’s reaction with your vet? Not all vaccines are appropriate for every dog. Or, there might be ways to minimize the reaction. I would not get a booster without a serious discussion with the vet about the previous reaction.