Making the move from the suburbs to the farm - worth it?

I’m doing it right now.

I’ll be borrowing at the tippy top of my range, but I’m ok with being “mortgage poor.” All I do on my off days is play with my dogs, go to the barn, do house chores, and spend an inordinate amount of time on COTH and Facebook because I ran out of things to do. I’ve owned a farmette before, and did 90 percent of the work myself, and was never overwhelmed, including the boarding aspect (not planning on boarding again). I do horse care the easy way (IMO) in that they mostly stay out, I feed once a day, and while I love to ride, I don’t have to ride every day or even more than 50 percent of the time.

I’m doing it a little backwards, because I put an offer on land and sold my house at the same time (literally), so I’ll be living in an RV for a while. But I get to build something that is my choice and is as eccentric as I am. The property already as a nearly new four-stall Barnmaster barn and nothing else, so the horses will stay where they are until things settle down a bit; since they are less than five min away it’s not an issue. If I have to wait on water, septic, power, I may as well wait on bringing the horses over until things calm down. Plus const workers can do dumb stuff like feed horses whole apples, seen it happen and don’t want it happening here.

I’m prepared to pay for things I can’t buy at the moment, like big mowing and fencing. A tractor isn’t in the budget and won’t be. Neither will an arena, but there are several I can haul out to within 30 minutes or less (much less). I’ll buy a rider for mowing around the house and barn, and hire someone to hay the rest as it’s an existing hay field and I’ll keep it that way for now.

When it’s over and done with, my mortgage will be significantly more than my current mortgage + horse board. But the upside? Everyone is home.

Lots of good points have already been brought up. How much land are you thinking of buying? There’s a difference between taking care of a 5-acre farmette vs. 50 acres. More fencing to maintain, more weed control, fertilization, mowing, whatever. There’s always a project (or ten) to be done. If you like doing projects that’s great, but it does take away from your riding time and everything ends up taking five times as long as you thought it would to fix. I can’t tell you how many friends I have who have their horses at home and never ride - if you don’t make riding a priority it tends to fall to the bottom of the list and somehow you never make it to accomplishing those things on the bottom of the list.

Note too that things will break at the most inconvenient time (on Thanksgiving Day, when I was 1200 miles away, I got a call telling me that the septic system in the barn had backed up). I’m lucky enough to be able to afford to pay someone to do maintenance for me, but I spend an awful lot of time trying to find people who will come out and fix fences, work on electrical issues, etc. and do a good job in a timely manner.

Although you can have one horse at home alone you’ll want a buddy for him (it doesn’t have to be another horse - you can have a goat or other farm animal). But I guarantee you will end up with more horses. As far as having a boarder, sometimes you find a good one but as has been pointed out, do you want the loss of privacy and the responsibility for someone else’s horse? It’s like caring for a five-year-old who runs around stabbing himself in the eye with a pencil constantly and pooping wherever he goes. And if you care about your assets, I would not have a boarder without the appropriate insurance and signed boarding contracts.

if your DH is non-horsey, is he really all in on this? Will he be ok with the expense, the work, the responsibility, etc?

I don’t know how full-service the barn is where you board, but there are times when I wish I was boarding somewhere where I could pay someone to hand-walk my horse when he’s injured or give him medication three times a day. If you’ll be living in a horsey area you’ll hopefully build up a community of friends and neighbors who help each other out. You never know when you’ll have an emergency and need someone to run over and feed or bring the horses in.

And of course, you’ll be the one hunting for good hay and figuring out what to do with the manure (spread? haul away? Start a mushroom farm?).

The expense of having them at home can be large. Building the barn, buying everything you need from buckets to tractor to fencing supplies (for repairs), shovels, rakes, and the thousand odds and ends (big and small) that you always seem to need.

I would ask too if you’re really ok with being out there, no matter how hot or cold, wet or dry, no matter how tired or sick you are. Do you think that will get old quickly ? Do you mind riding alone? Although the boarders at a boarding barn might be annoying sometimes, it’s a social thing for some people and they end up missing the social interaction and miss having someone to ride with.

As far as country life vs suburban life, are you ok with being further away from things (shopping, restaurants, whatever it is you like to do other than riding)? Do check on what internet services are available if you find something you want to buy. We struggled for years with crappy Internet. It’s much better now but we still can’t stream a movie and watch it reliably. We have DirectTV which I like better than cable anyway so that’s no problem. Our cell phone reception was almost non-existent when we moved here. Now it’s better but not reliable enough that I’d get rid of the land line.

If if you’re buying vacant land, check on the water situation. It can be quite expensive to drill a well and the laws about water rights are important to check. I just had to drill a new well after living in our house for 12 years. That was a ridiculously expensive project - I could have bought myself a really nice horse with the money I spent on that or paid board at a top-notch barn for a long time.

And I have to tell you - the running joke here is my never-ending battle with critters. The bat in the house (twice), the woodpecker who is eating my house, the pack rats and other critters who moved into the attic and ate the wiring, the raccoon who violently pulled the lattice and mesh wire off from under the porch to find a place to sleep, the snake who got in the basement, the never-ending problem with mice and voles in the house, the critters who dig holes in the pasture, and the birds who poop all over my barn!

I’m not trying to discourage you from moving and having your horses at home. It can be wonderful, and there’s nothing like being able to go see your horse right before bed and give him a hug or seeing him nicker for breakfast first thing in the morning. You’ll have total control of what he eats and when, how clean his water bucket is, when his blanket gets put on, how many shavings he has, etc. You’ll (hopefully) have peace and quiet instead of neighbors right on top of you. If you’re smart about how you set up your barn, you can minimize the daily work. And hopefully your property will be a good investment and you’ll make a good profit someday but I don’t know if you ever get back what you put into a horse property when you look at your ongoing operating expenses. Just think very carefully about everything everyone has said before making your decision. You’re right that this is the time to do it if you are going to. Many people do continue to care for their horses well into their later years but as some point the majority of people will tell you that they are having trouble doing all the chores they used to do due to age or injuries or health problems. But you should have many years before that happens.

Good od luck and let us know what you decide to do.

Another factor is neighbors, and access by neighbors or strangers to your property and animals. That can be a huge issue, with liability, trespassing, clueless people who feed animals all types of food they shouldn’t have, etc. You need enough property to insulate yourself.

You also need a farm without problem neighbors, either humans or businesses that impact your farm.

I love living on a farm and wouldn’t trade it for anything. I grew up on a real farm and when my DH wanted to trade working at a firm for academia, I was 100% supportive but told him in exchange for downsizing my own career to follow him, I wanted to live somewhere I could have a farm again. We’ve been here almost 6 years now.

It is great and I love, love, love my farm. I wouldn’t trade having my horses at home for anything.

The downsides are that everything is more expensive than you think if you want to do it “right.” It is also a ton of work and you have to be a lifelong student to figure out how to manage land and animals in a top-notch way. I am very type A and perfectionist, so I put a lot of effort into getting things correct and doing it in a cost-effective way. It is also harder to travel (I travel for business and fun), and I spend more time on the mower than I’d like when I’d prefer to be riding.

The upsides are naturally that my horses look awesome and as daily caretaker you know them so much better than you do just showing up to ride. Plus, I can afford more horses having them at home. I can afford to retire my old horses. I can afford to buy quality babies and “grow” them. I love having my kids grow up on a farm. I think it teaches them such good values and it is so wonderful to have them out and about every day, instead of stuck inside a house in a suburb with a TV or iPad. It’s wonderful for them to learn “real” things from an early age.

It won’t save you money. In most places boarding costs are a pretty reasonable deal. By that I mean if you take the cost of maintaining the barn, riding areas, equipment, feed, and hay and divide it by the number of horses, you get a number. If you DIY you will probably spend the same or more, not including sunk costs in equipment and facilities.

It will take a lot of your time. I used to think we did a lot of time driving to/from the boarding barn, because we did it frequently. Yes, true. But we didn’t need to clean stalls, feed, move hay, move horses, make trips to Agway/TSC/Lowes, repair and maintain mowers, fences, barn, stalls, riding areas, and driveways, continually search for good quality hay and keep stock of it, and much more.

There’s a physical aspect to it. It’s a form of farming, and farmers physically work hard. Even shaking out a muck fork puts some wear and tear on your body. Moving bales of hay, feed, wheelbarrows aren’t brutal but if you’re nursing a minor injury or frail in any way, it’s likely to get worse over time.

Forget vacations, since paying someone competent to come in and take care of your place costs money and we’re trying to spend less of that.

If you set things up right you might even save on boarding with a few horses at home. You will spend much more time on them than before. The upside is you get to be around your horses much more. It will be mostly cleaning stalls instead of riding. The downside is that time is relentlessly committed to that responsibility and you can’t disappear for a weekend, stay the night somewhere, shift your daily schedule (e.g. stay late at work) without making arrangements, etc.

And don’t assume your spouse is up for all of this. Even if your spouse has a horse too, you need to determine exactly what things will be shared daily responsibilities and what things are fair to cover for in your absence. It’s not fair to take on a huge amount of work/chores and assume your husband/wife/boyfriend will be happy to cover you on those times when you can’t be there for the rest of eternity. Because these little events happen regularly in life and that workload, occasional as it might be, still adds up.

Aside from more time around the horses, the other massive advantage of having horses at your place is having control. You don’t have to tolerate crap hay, dirty buckets, unsafe surroundings, ignored pasture injuries, poor pasture mates, and unprofessional people. Because it’s yours.

Hope this helps,

David

DHCarrotfeeder, that was a great post. And I think that for a lot of people, having control and some privacy is a meaningful thing. It’s just important to not have illusions that owning your own place will somehow be “cheaper” or a “time saver.”

Since my last post on this thread, much truth has be written. OP sounds like new or relatively new horse owners. Having horses at home vs boarding, I learned much about horse personality that I missed being a boarder. Chiefly, “bonding” developing a trust between horse and rider.

Being able to go to the fence line and whistle, resulting in a thundering herd charging up for a treat… such an ego boost. Small, multiple interactions per day are more conducive to bonding than week-end rides. That same bond works well facing a difficult trail or scary object with the horse. That’s a priceless benefit.

I’ve wondered about riders with grooms and barn help … How does one develop a relationship if the only interaction is getting on the tacked horse and handing the reins to the groom after a ride?

Horse and I do a dance in the stall. He eats and moves as I muck around him. What should be scary is actually very calming.

Paraphrasing a previous poster: … “farm homes are a life style, not a design choice”.

[QUOTE=hosspuller;8652252]

Paraphrasing a previous poster: … “farm homes are a life style, not a design choice”.[/QUOTE]

and the farm home should have hard surface flooring, no carpet… so when the wet dog comes in and trots around the place looking for food one can just sigh as say at least it will mop up

Clanter that is why I chose porcelain tiles for the kitchen/family room. Dog’s nails are hard on wood floors. I have the original 1850 pine floor in the dining room and cherry in the living room. Dogs are not allowed in there.

Everyone else has already covered the highs and lows of keeping your horses at home, so I just want to emphasize a few things.

  1. There is only one reason to buy acreage and keep your horses at home. That is because you want the lifestyle. You will not save money, you will spend more. You will not save time, you will spend more. You will work 10 times harder than you ever imagined on property maintenance and horse care and the never ending projects. The only thing that makes it all worth doing is if you love that way of life.

  2. Money = Time & Effort. The more money you have - for equipment, facilities, hired help - the easier your life is going to be. With sufficient money and good planning, you can significantly reduce the amount of work and time you need to spend on daily chores and maintenance. When you do things on the cheap (been there, done that), the responsibilities can become all-consuming and wear you out. When you have enough money to buy what you need (e.g. that ginormous lawn mower or small tractor) and pay for work to be done by professionals (e.g. putting up good fence) (been there, done that, too) your life will be much easier and you might even have time to ride. :lol:

  3. The housebarn doesn’t just have insurance issues. Depending on where you live, it may be difficult to even get a building permit. In the county I’m in, they are very, very reluctant to permit housebarns and will typically nickle and dime you with application for this, application for that, until most people just give up. I was told by a barn builder that in the neighboring county, they won’t permit a 2 story building (house above, barn below) but will permit a single level structure.

One more thing to consider: I’m sick with the flu today. I crawled out of bed to throw hay for my horses, then wobbled back in the house and into bed. I’ll do it again a couple more times today, too.

No one here to do stalls but me. No one else to check the water trough (thank goodness I sprang for auto waterers when I built the barn), no one else to do any of the normal horse chores. And it’s raining. And hailing…

It’s great and fun and rewarding to have them home.

But there are definite downsides, too. Especially if you’re under the weather. Or injured. Find reliable backup help as soon as you can.

[QUOTE=saddleup;8652947]
One more thing to consider: I’m sick with the flu today. I crawled out of bed to throw hay for my horses, then wobbled back in the house and into bed. I’ll do it again a couple more times today, too.

No one here to do stalls but me. No one else to check the water trough (thank goodness I sprang for auto waterers when I built the barn), no one else to do any of the normal horse chores. And it’s raining. And hailing…

It’s great and fun and rewarding to have them home.

But there are definite downsides, too. Especially if you’re under the weather. Or injured. Find reliable backup help as soon as you can.[/QUOTE]

Reliable help is a must have for anyone with animals at home.

We are lucky that my retired mom loves the horses and farm. She decided to sell her house and moved into our MIL.

Nice to have a live in nanny for the horses and dog (the cats could care less). Splitting the horse chores up is definitely nice. And my mom loves the exercise.

I keep telling her that people pay big bucks for “senior” activity programs.:lol:

[QUOTE=NoSuchPerson;8652844]

  1. There is only one reason to buy acreage and keep your horses at home. That is because you want the lifestyle. You will not save money, you will spend more. You will not save time, you will spend more. You will work 10 times harder than you ever imagined on property maintenance and horse care and the never ending projects. The only thing that makes it all worth doing is if you love that way of life.[/QUOTE]

SO MUCH THIS. If you want to work hard, never get a break, and love stopping now and then to survey your domain, it’s for you. If you like vacations and find city yard maintenance a chore…mmm, maybe not? Right now I pay for my yard to get done, because when I’m on night shift I don’t want to short change my barn time with yard care time. Forty minutes on my yard, when I can snuggle the burrito? Yeah, definitely no contest. If I can mow or weedeat while looking at my property and my fence that is containing my animals…totes different.

Definitely a pay off here on spending more now v time and wasted effort later.

[QUOTE=NoSuchPerson;8652844]
3. The housebarn doesn’t just have insurance issues. Depending on where you live, it may be difficult to even get a building permit. In the county I’m in, they are very, very reluctant to permit housebarns and will typically nickle and dime you with application for this, application for that, until most people just give up. I was told by a barn builder that in the neighboring county, they won’t permit a 2 story building (house above, barn below) but will permit a single level structure.[/QUOTE]

I’m also one of those ppl who wanted the two-story “barn apartment” deals as a kid. Guess what I’m building? Nooo, not that. But a shop (what we can big garages in the PNW :lol:) with > 1000 sq ft apartment above. From the outside? Totes looks like a barn apartment! Plus it’ll have a deck on one side and a carport on the other for the horse trailer. OP could do that, have lean-tos in the paddocks, store tack and feed in the garage, just no animals and probably no hay. I thankfully already have a barn, so it’ll be a standard garage inside, cars/tools/garage stuff.

And yes yes YES find, train, and RETAIN someone who can help. I’ve had a PCer doing parttime care for my critters now that I’m self care. I pay her $10 per day, for a whopping $150/mo, when it takes 25 min to feed and muck. I know because I timed it. In the wintertime, when they are in the shelters more and require hay. Right now? She didn’t even have to muck last week and I’m not feeding hay because they are all obese little McHorses. She got paid the same. I also give her “paid” days off by texting her that I was at the barn for some reason on a regular day, and she can play hookie. Because if I get hurt, which happens in my line of work, I absolutely know I can call and ask her to come by. Once my critters are moved, I’ll have her out to see the layout there.

Love having our two at home. I think you become much closer to your horses and it’s so nice to have total control of everything.

“Forget vacations, since paying someone competent to come in and take care of your place costs money and we’re trying to spend less of that.”

Not true for us. We have a wonderful cat/horse sitter and we vacation when we want. For less cost see if you can find someone with whom you can “trade” horse care. If need be you can always board for the time you are gone. Love the horses but do need my vacations as well.

Jenners- You might look at the equestrian community someone posted earlier. They combine the house with a huge built on garage (they use it for a barn), but it would eliminate the issue of climbing stairs constantly. It would be very nice to have an enclosed space for loading and unloading out of the weather.

Here’s the link from js’s post on page 2:

http://www.horsemansranch.com/homesites_horsemans_ranch.html

[QUOTE=Cat Tap;8652801]
the living room. .[/QUOTE]

oh you mean the tack room? at least that is what my daughters made that room into, complete with their show tack trunks, saddle racks took down pictures for bridle racks … stayed that was until they left to continue their lives as grownups (we still have their horses, seem they forgot to take them…but the deal was with the horses if they took care of our kids we would take care of them)

So…I agree, you have to want and enjoy the lifestyle. After doing self and partial self care for a number of years and commuting a half hour to the barn sometimes twice a day, I really enjoy having the horses at home.

That said, I have 3 stalls and it didn’t take long to get an extra horse. The two boys were easy peasy, but adding a hard keeper 3rd that needed a real facility and program was more than i could do, so I sold her. I now have only one riding horse and its much easier.

Everyone talks about how much more money and time your property will take and for alot of properties they are right. However, my actual yard is probably smaller than most of my friends single family house yards. (by design). Yes, the tractor is necessary for the horse part but I paid someone to put new fencing in so I’m good for awhile. And I don’t share fenclines with other horses so I’ve only had one board broken when that 3rd horse jumped out of the pasture. I also got all my equipment for free from someone who downsized and retired. So I got lucky.

I can keep my two much cheaper than boarding, but I don’t have a ring yet, so I trailer out alot. But I wouldn’t trade it for the world. It beats driving 30 min to the barn one direction and 40 min to work in the other direction from home. My commute is a little further now, but I have fios and can work from home.

Most of the time I love it. if you choose wisely on your property, you can make money. I bought my farm for less money than I would have paid for a townhouse in the same neighborhood I was living in…I had to put a lot of money into this place (but a lot of homeowners do improvements so I don’t feel its any different). I will come out way ahead in my investment and have already increased the value by 100k.

I’m really happy…if you choose wisely and go into it with eyes wide open you will be ok. But do your homework. I looked for 10 years before I made the leap.

[QUOTE=TheJenners;8650666]
I’m doing it right now.

I’ll be borrowing at the tippy top of my range, but I’m ok with being “mortgage poor.” All I do on my off days is play with my dogs, go to the barn, do house chores, and spend an inordinate amount of time on COTH and Facebook because I ran out of things to do…

When it’s over and done with, my mortgage will be significantly more than my current mortgage + horse board. But the upside? Everyone is home.[/QUOTE]

Just a tiny word of caution for what it’s worth. Being mortgage poor is fine UNTIL there is a major financial crisis and you suddenly find yourself needing money for an emergency, whether with a horse, vet bills, hospital bills, repairs, whatever it is. I don’t advocate anyone buy at the top of their price range but rather at a comfortable cost that leaves yourself with a little hedge room for those unexpected things that require immediate attention and money. I personally prefer to buy at the lower end of the budget and pay off a mortgage in half the time so you are mortgage free much sooner.

… another reason for hard surface flooring…when you come home unexpectedly to fine the kids and the horses in the house watching movies because its too hot outside …yeah, happened more than once

and make sure you have doors that shut all they way as miniature horses like to check to see what’s behind Door Number 1, Number 2 and Door #3