MB CIVIL SUIT UPDATE #10 K’s Request to Adjourn (delay) DENIED 11/01/22

[hut-ho78]

@Omgitsme

Are you a lawyer/have you been to law school? Considering multiple “self proclaimed” legal experts have come to the same conclusion I’m more likely to believe them than you.

Without forensic evidence no one but the three involved know what happened. Although MB suffered head injuries and doesn’t remember the event, so really only two people know exactly what happened. There’s no sense in continuing to argue what NGRI means.

If you read my posts, you would see IANAL on many. I’ve never claimed to be. However, all it takes to be overqualified for these discussions is to look up the information online and read it. It’s illuminating as to the misinformation posted here by completely twisting it or selected pieces to change the meaning. Try it sometime instead of waiting on someone to only feed you what they want you to hear.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@hut-ho78

@CanteringCarrot

You’ve just got to ignore it. Or say ridiculous things to them because they are also ridiculous

It has become abundantly clear what some posters are here for and what type of character they posses. This was made very clear to me recently. Not worth your time.

It’s fine to argue different views and sides, but that’s not what this is

I’m just wondering what string of profanity and insults you will come up with next. You haven’t said anything of value since…have you ever added anything of value?

I’m going to disagree with Hut-Ho here.

I used to value CanteringCarrot as a poster, and thought she had opinions of her own distinct from those of the mob.

Her outburst of a couple days ago, and her posting recently seems sufficiently out of character that I wonder if it is the same person still posting.

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@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

That’s right. You just join a small group who is trying to destroy an entire family and feed the delusions of a man trying to recover from his delusions.

I am not trying to destroy anyone.
If this family is destroyed it is by their own doing.
Which is very sad.

You feel a need to convince me of that yet you encourage the others to the point it appears you all have the same motivation. Got it.

[Moderator_1]

Please return the focus to discussion of the case vs. each other.

[Angela_Freda]

@eggbutt

RG’s phone in particular would show all the video pings and whether he turned the system off that fateful day

Oh! Hmmmmm

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[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Omgitsme

I don’t know if I’m a mobster or not, but I don’t believe JK has some sort of hold on that many people. One or two maybe but more than that? Unless he’s actually some sort of mafia Don.

I don’t consider you part the mob because you express your own opinions, which I respect. You’ve contributed a lot to the thread.

@Sdel s claim that anyone in authority who issues a ruling adverse to MB must be controlled by JK is just laughable.

[Maria]

Agree. One only has to look at the actions of this family. Forget about the shooting for one moment. Look at what the K’s have done. Look at that with a fresh eye. Can you not see how they have banded together to spread falsehoods? Can you not see how they caused a man to be reduced to a shell of himself? Can you honestly tell me, that everything the K’s have done in this situation has been upstanding, honest, ethical, true and whatever other word you want to throw in there, but the one that stands out to me is ethical. Can you say the K’s have been ethical?

I cannot.

You can say I belong to the Mob. Fine. I will proudly wear the robe and tiara. But anyone who knows me, knows I am not always a diplomat and I shoot from the hip. I don’t really mind if someone disagrees with me. I have my own mind and can make my own deductions, conclusions and findings based on evidence. Of which there has been plenty.

If I am proven wrong, I also have no problem issuing an apology.

So there you go, answer my questions if you can or want, makes no difference to me.

[DownYonder]

@MHM

@Sdel

So, who wants to start a pool on if the cat litter picture is on one of the phones?

Was that picture ever posted anywhere? Or was it just another imaginary picture?

I seem to recall seeing a screenshot of her FB page that showed it. But it was unclear if she had actually taken the photo and was an accurate representation of what she was claiming, or if it was a photo she had taken elsewhere or perhaps snagged off the internet.

[meupatdoes]

@lazaret

Personally I think claiming privilege would be real risky here since the attorney in question doesn’t appear to have a NJ license or if he does, he’s not acted ethically in his ex parte communication so it’s not a good scenario for him.

In my life as a residential RE deals lawyer, a niche I enjoy precisely because it is pretty much the least mentally taxing field of law it’s possible to do, I am constantly agog at the incompetence of other attorneys.

And now this dude is like, “Hold my beer.”

[Omgitsme]

What I want to hear is a discussion of the current topic.

Your online research does not make you an expert.
Everyone agrees that the jury found MB guilty of the shooting so I’m not sure what you’re on about. Do we (g) have to agree with that verdict? No.

[Angela_Freda]

@Maria

If I am proven wrong, I also have no problem issuing an apology.

To prove any mobster wrong would require sharing evidence, which, oddly, they appear reluctant to do.
Its a conundrum.
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[EADoug]

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@MHM

@Sdel

So, who wants to start a pool on if the cat litter picture is on one of the phones?
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Was that picture ever posted anywhere? Or was it just another imaginary picture?

I seem to recall seeing a screenshot of her FB page that showed it. But it was unclear if she had actually taken the photo and was an accurate representation of what she was claiming, or if it was a photo she had taken elsewhere or perhaps snagged off the internet.

I also have a vague memory of seeing it years ago. But then, I’m willing to admit that perhaps I HEARD so much about it, that my brain created a vague memory of it.

[Rel6]

For those interested: https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=2375&context=mulr

A short law review article on the differences between the insanity defense in the criminal vs civil context. It state dependent (the article talks about general principles of civil law many states base theirs on), but generally insanity isn’t really a defense to civil liability in the same way it is to criminal liability.

NGRI means that the jury saw a box on a verdict form that just said “not guilty” - as in, did not commit the act at all - and chose not to select that box. The jury checked that box for the attempted murder of RG charge. They chose not to check that box for the attempted murder of LK charge and instead checked NGRI.

I really do not want to become enmeshed in this debate. The bottom line is that without being able to see the actual verdict form no one will ever know for sure how it was set up. My guess is there was a “not guilty” box, then if you think he committed the acts he was accused of, do you find him NGRI or guilty, and they chose NGRI. Which would mean yes, the jury founded he did commit the acts he was accused of. Just a guess based on other verdict forms I’ve seen used in trials with defenses. But ultimately, the jury chose not to find “not guilty,” and instead find him “NGRI.” That is a different verdict.

Re the new developments: I’ll say this…discovery delays and disputes do not endear you to judges. I’m not really sure what LK’s attorney thinks the outcome will be here, but if you’re a plaintiff who initiates a lawsuit and then stalls the discovery process…that REALLY does not endear you to a judge.

[StB.YM]

Here’s two things the financial records might show - the exact date the cameras and recording devices were purchased and when LK purchased her smaller gun. Remember on the stand LK said that she lied to her friend about purchasing the cameras long before August? And when asked about what day the cameras were actually ordered, the answers were all deflection. And the records should also show whether she recently had purchased that small gun on layaway or, if as she said in her text, she had it for at least a year.

[trubandloki]

So the courts are due to make decisions on the contempt filings against Jonathan Kanarek and Kirby Kanarek on Friday October 21st. Will they decide about Lauren not showing for her deposition on that date too?
Is that the date for the answers to all the open questions?
How long after the decision are parties given to provide the information asked for?

Are there likely to be more filings before then?

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

s claim that anyone in authority who issues a ruling adverse to MB must be controlled by JK is just laughable.

You damage your credibility when you assume readers following along can’t recognize when you twist others words into falsified arguments. I have posted my sources more than once. I trust the readers who are following can understand what LK has said and what the implications are, even if you refuse to read and understand plain English and attempt to misattribute whom certain claims come from.

If the K camp is now worried about JK’s ex parte efforts to influence the various cases, like LK has claimed they have, because Secusi outed his unethical behavior, that’s on them.

[StB.YM]

The calendar shows that the motion to compel in-person deposition, motion for the protective order, and motion to quash are on the calendar for the 21st.

[eggbutt]

@Omgitsme

Everyone agrees that the jury found MB guilty of the shooting

I certainly don’t agree with this statement and I know many others don’t either.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Is that the date for the answers to all the open questions?

I would imagine the court will rule on all the underlying motions to the few they listed on that date.

The request for an order by Schellhorn could be resolved earlier, but I imagine it will also be decided that date as well.

@trubandloki

How long after the decision are parties given to provide the information asked for?

If the court decides to order/compel the Kanarek’s to comply with the subpoena, I would guess there’s going to be a fairly short timeline, since the subpoenas were issued in July and they have already had plenty of time to respond appropriately but didn’t.