MB update

[ekat]

The other thing is…you can’t talk about the civil suit without discussing LK and her role. Also, it’s fair to discuss some circumstances as MB is most assuredly raising self-defense in the civil suit.

You can’t talk about him getting the heck out of AK without touching on why he’s there.

However, people that keep trying to define and redefine NGRI are minimal and we would all be best served by scrolling on by that stuff. Also, people trying to police this or any thread would be better served hitting that little flag button and scroll on by.

[Fiesta01]

@eggbutt

I wonder if it has been considered that RG might eventually get tired of being odd man out? He’s the one who has filthy hands in this situation but was, apparently, not included in legal representation (meeting with ED). It has always been puzzling what he gets out of his relationship with the Kanarek family.

He has a roof over his head, food on the table, enough disposable income to “slip” off his sobriety program, and he doesn’t have to maintain a normal job where he would be held accountable for his time and actions?

[cutter99]

@trubandloki

@ekat

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

You are all over this. I was just wondering about MB Dressage LLC… because technically, that is the party that leased Sweet Grass Farms LLC for the purposes of running MB’s business at the farm.

I wonder what the Va legal strategy was for LK to just go immediately after SGF LLC with a lawsuit back in 2019, bypassing MB Dressage LLC?

It’s one of the things that has bugged me about the civil suit. Why sue SGF and not MB dressage? It makes no sense to me.

My thought is they were thought to have the deepest pockets. Add that MB dressage would not really exist anymore once LK got her way with the criminal case, so there would nothing to get from there.

My thought is she went after SGF LLC because they own the farm, and that is part of what she wanted.

She hasn’t worked for anything else she has, so why would she want to work to own a farm when she could win it in a lawsuit. Wouldn’t surprise me if this was part of her plan! Especially since she was accumulating horses, and it seems there was a financial limit on her monthly expenses.

I am not saying this is logical, but nothing we have seen in the last 3 years from her has been logical!

[Angela_Freda]

@ekat

It’s absolutely stunning that as of 5 days ago, she was typing that out. And has left it there, accusations and all

Clearly this is what takes up her time.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@MHM

@DownYonder

So I am not sure I buy her line that she got the cameras because she was “going to a show” - I think she got them for the specific purpose of trying to catch someone doing something she could leverage in her ongoing campaign against MB.

Wait, do you mean she may have lied on social media?

No. Way.

Sarcasm?

[eggbutt]

True, but how is their loyalty shown? They didn’t even include him in legal representation with ED. How would you feel in that circumstance?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

I saw no posts of hers denying or saying she did not recall calling SS

You not seeing the posts =/= the posts did not exist.

I understand that concept, MHM. In fact I acknowledged that in the part of the post you edited out!

[DownYonder]

@3PonyFarm

It seems that MB has found very positive ways to keep himself busy these past almost 3 years. The drawing and reading as well as trying to help out other inmates by buying basic supplies for them when they were unable to I think are very good indicators of a person’s perseverance. I am sure he had some very dark days too-who wouldn’t under those circumstances.
Hopefully his stay at AK (hopefully brief stay) will help him transition back into normal life when he is released. I am told that the transition period can be very hard on former inmates, even when they are found not guilty.

Hear, hear!

I have been told the transition for released prisoners is akin to that experienced by military personnel when they return Stateside from overseas deployment - esp. if they have been deployed to a very high stress location such as a war zone.

Given that MB had a good track record of utilizing the services of mental health professionals to help him deal with the difficulties of life, I have faith that he will continue to receive counseling for some time as he readjusts to life on the outside again.

[SierraMist]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@SierraMist

Because who wants to keep rehashing all the same things that have been said for the last 3 years? This thread is supposed to be about an MB update. Out of 1200 posts, maybe 200 have actually been about MB. RG isn’t involved in any of the civil suits. Why keep bringing him up? He apparently doesn’t post things on social media or they’d be copied and pasted here. He’s leaving all of you alone, so why harp on him? I simply don’t understand all the emotional rants. The criminal case is over and done with. The jury made their finding.

Oh. You don’t think he will be deposed as part of the civil suit?

And he most certainly does post on social media. He’s posted following the trial. Although there are rumors that actually LK uses accounts in his name , and is the one doing the posting.

Who knows.

I’m sure he will be deposed. I don’t follow RG or LK on social media so not aware of what they post where. I just figured if he was posting anything it would have been copied and posted here.

I hope for everyone’s sake, the civil case will proceed and conclude so all can move on with their lives. I’m interested in seeing how the insurance companies, if any, will be involved, if claims are denied, if bad faith is filed. From the stand point of any horse professionals, I think it’s important as to how insurance companies cover their insureds. This case is one for the books in that regard.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

You (g) are desperate to make the thread about her. It’s going to get the thread shut down.

Isn’t that your goal? You and your friends have been successful in doing exactly that for the last few threads.

What is it you all are so afraid of? The constant desperate posts drumming home your interpretation of the verdict and what you believe it really means is really, really tiresome. You’ve learned how to derail threads by focusing on specific words for many, many posts! What is your point and why do you keep showing up if not to harass and stir the pot?

No, ma’am. I’m not trying to get the thread shut down.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@eggbutt

True, but how is their loyalty shown? They didn’t even include him in legal representation with ED. How would you feel in that circumstance?

Do you think JK will be willing to foot any legal expenses associated with RGs deposition? Such as, the bull to have the delightful Mr. Nagel on hand to help keep RG out of trouble if Bilinkas or Deininger go down certain roads with their questions?

My guess is that might be money well spent on JKs part.

[eggbutt]

I can imagine being with his horses, dog, and loved ones at his home will definitely be an amazing tonic.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@SierraMist

I hope for everyone’s sake, the civil case will proceed and conclude so all can move on with their lives. I’m interested in seeing how the insurance companies, if any, will be involved, if claims are denied, if bad faith is filed. From the stand point of any horse professionals, I think it’s important as to how insurance companies cover their insureds. This case is one for the books in that regard.

That’s all interesting, and I agree.

[Fiesta01]

I think when you’re (g) that far into an addiction that any sense of self-respect or indignation, if you’re still capable of feeling them, is hidden deep inside. That is the only way to maintain the status quo of your physical needs being met without any effort on your part. ETA: well, apart from doing laundry and wrapping horse legs.

[cutter99]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@ekat

In hindsight, they wouldn’t have known about the indemnification clause at the time of filing, and since MB was a big part of SGF, you may be on to something.

You know what’s interesting? LK claimed to be on very friendly terms with the older couple who was the other half of SGF.

It doesn’t seem like they mentioned the indemnification clause to her though, before the original lawsuits were filed back in the fall of 2019.

Maybe that friendliness and support was of a more limited nature than what she represented…

We know for a fact, from the trial, that LK had violated the privacy of Michael’s office, so who knows what she accessed while in there. Could she have taken pictures of insurance policies? Agreements between Michael and SGF LLC? Financial records of both Barisone Dressage and SGF LLC?

I would not bet she didn’t!

[ekat]

@DownYonder

I have been told the transition for released prisoners is akin to that experienced by military personnel when they return Stateside from overseas deployment - esp. if they have been deployed to a very high stress location such as a war zone.

I know I’ve mentioned before my kid being stupid and ending up a guest of the state. He was only in for maybe 6 months total. It’s all becoming a blur. Anyhow, a few days after his release, we were running errands and decided to stop at Taco Bell. The menu was so overwhelming to him that he completely shut down and I had to order what I knew he would get. 6 months of having meals dictated to him made his ability to order fast food disappear, among many other challenges.

So yes, that history of seeking help will be beneficial going forward.

[MHM]

@Warmblood1

@jvanrens

Considering her posting online about doing Pilates, yoga and riding up to 4+ horses every day before swimming in her pool everyday, I’m not sure how she will be able prove much of an impact on her quality of life.

Agreed. I read a YT comment stating she was following and living her dreams IRT riding. I thought all of this was really odd, detrimental and contradictory to say in light of the civil trial.

I have absolutely no interest in going down a political wormhole on this thread.

However, I will just point out that one of the (many, many, many) sources of Donald Trump’s current legal troubles is the fact that according to his former attorney, he made false claims about the value of his various properties, depending on whether he was talking to the IRS or financial institutions, since he was underreporting their value to the IRS for tax purposes, and over reporting their value for the sake of securing loans against the properties.

The story completely changed depending on the purpose behind his statements.

[Knights_Mom]

@SierraMist

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Knights_Mom

Oh knock it off. We tried desperately not to talk about her but your buddy CH kept on going there.

We wanted to discuss MBs imminent release but like always the LK advocates kept bringing it back to her and how victimized she is.

Yet mysteriously, no one seems to care about how victimized RG is on these forums.

Only some victims matter I guess. Not RG. No one ever advocates for him. It’s so sad. Isn’t he the hero who saved LKs life?

So strange no one even bothers jumping on these threads and declaring all the speculation about RGs criminal record, discharge from the military, etc etc to be cruel, and out of bounds…

Nope. No outrage whatsoever about any of our chatter on that topic.

Because who wants to keep rehashing all the same things that have been said for the last 3 years? This thread is supposed to be about an MB update. Out of 1200 posts, maybe 200 have actually been about MB. RG isn’t involved in any of the civil suits. Why keep bringing him up? He apparently doesn’t post things on social media or they’d be copied and pasted here. He’s leaving all of you alone, so why harp on him? I simply don’t understand all the emotional rants. The criminal case is over and done with. The jury made their finding.

Pot. Kettle. Black. Part 2.

[IdahoRider]

OMG! That was the most liberating experience! Responding to her recent YT rants. I feel light as a feather.
Sheilah

[IdahoRider]

@cutter99

We know for a fact, from the trial, that LK had violated the privacy of Michael’s office, so who knows what she accessed while in there. Could she have taken pictures of insurance policies? Agreements between Michael and SGF LLC? Financial records of both Barisone Dressage and SGF LLC?

All of that is going to be inadmissible in the civil trial if it is decided that it was obtained illegally. Same goes for her recordings.

Unless she gets a personality transplant, she is going to come across just as poorly as she did in the criminal trial.
Sheilah