has something changed with the rules for entering different medal finals? i know a few years ago you were NOT allowed to show at both children’s medal finals and a 3’6" equitation final. has that changed? is it different by state or zone? seems very very unfair to me… and just generally like a strange practice.
There are many sports where there are different divisions or sections based on age, experience, etc.
I don’t think it’s unusual or unfair. What are the specs for children’s medal finals? If it’s noticeably lower than the BigEq, then I think it is fair to disallow crossover. Give the younger or less experienced riders a fair shot in a finals.
I could be wrong, but I think for THIS Finals you can’t have competed in a 3’6" final yet, so as long as it’s your first year doing the 3’6" finals, you can compete at THIS Finals and go on to do the 3’6" finals that same season, since the 3’6" finals aren’t until after THIS finals.
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There are many sports where there are different divisions or sections based on age, experience, etc.
I don’t think it’s unusual or unfair. What are the specs for children’s medal finals? If it’s noticeably lower than the BigEq, then I think it is fair to disallow crossover. Give the younger or less experienced riders a fair shot in a finals.[/QUOTE]
that’s what i’m curious about. when i went to childrens medal finals we were NOT allowed to show at the 3’6" level. children’s medal is 3-3’3". the whole point is to give lower level/younger riders the shot at a big final. that is why i think it seems unfair that that happened this year… and it just seems unusual because children’s medal finals is basically a “baby” final to the big eq riders.
I thought the same. I see a name of a kid with a “respected” BNT who showed in the THIS finals and the USET medal. Not sure if it is allowed but agree that it should not be. But then again we have all those big eq. kids winning medals and doing the ponies in the same show.
Wouldn’t that be up to those running the various Childrens Medals? USEF/USHJA may host them (Children’s Medals) at rated shows but don’t run them or keep the point tallies. That’s up to the sponsors and they set their rules.
IIRC we have had a few threads on this topic over the years. Gist was they are not regular rated classes. It’s been with kids wrapping up their last Childrens year stepping up, qualifying late in the season and not running in both all year. Up to those running the Medal class to determine eligibility and enforce it if they chose, I believe they allowed it in those examples. But would not have allowed the kid to continue in the Children’s after the Finals or the next year.
Seems like once you have qualified for a 3’6 medal final that you should no longer be eligible to compete in a Childrens level medal final. to be able to do so, seems to fly in the face of the spirit of the division.
You can’t do the THIS medal if you’ve already done a national final at 3’6" or higher. So someone could do the THIS and then the medal and Maclay in the same year. They could even do the THIS and then the USET East since that’s the weekend after the THIS. But they couldn’t do the THIS if they had done the USET West, the Hunterdon, or the NA Eq Championships (the last assuming that it falls before the THIS).
Statement of rule (from http://www.ryegate.com/APPS/ncm%20nam%20specs.pdf):
TAYLOR HARRIS INSURANCE SERVICES NATIONAL CHILDREN’S MEDAL
Class Speci?cations
Open to all Junior members of the USEF and Equine Canada who have never competed in any of the followingNational Equitation Final with fences at 3’6": Pessoa/US Medal; ASPCA Maclay; USEF Talent Search (East or West);Jump Canada Medal Finals; WIHS Junior Equitation Finals; Hunterdon Cup; North American Equitation Championship.
To be shown over a minimum of eight fences 2’9" to 3’ in height, spread not to exceed fence height. The coursemay be either a Jumper or Hunter type course and must include at least two changes of direction and a combination.Water obstacles (i.e.; water jump, liverpool) are not permitted. The top four riders are required to perform at leasttwo individual tests from USEF Tests 1-19. An Open Numerical Scoring System must be used in the ?rst round, witheach rider’s score announced at the completion of their round. There is no minimum requirement to ?ll the class.
Approximately forty riders will be invited to compete in the ?nals and will be chosen as follows; the high point riderin each of the regional series will be invited, along with additional riders working from the top down on the NationalStandings list for the qualifying period. Any un?lled slots will be chosen by continuing down the National Standings list.
Talking about a Finals and Finals only they did qualify for too, not continuing to compete in the qualifiers after moving up to the 3’6"-that they definitely can’t do. But they qualified for Finals and are eligible to compete in that one, restricted entry class within the above guidelines.
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You can’t do the THIS medal if you’ve already done a national final at 3’6" or higher. So someone could do the THIS and then the medal and Maclay in the same year. They could even do the THIS and then the USET East since that’s the weekend after the THIS. But they couldn’t do the THIS if they had done the USET West, the Hunterdon, or the NA Eq Championships (the last assuming that it falls before the THIS).
Statement of rule (from http://www.ryegate.com/APPS/ncm%20nam%20specs.pdf):
TAYLOR HARRIS INSURANCE SERVICES NATIONAL CHILDREN’S MEDAL
Class Speci?cations
Open to all Junior members of the USEF and Equine Canada who have never competed in any of the followingNational Equitation Final with fences at 3’6": Pessoa/US Medal; ASPCA Maclay; USEF Talent Search (East or West);Jump Canada Medal Finals; WIHS Junior Equitation Finals; Hunterdon Cup; North American Equitation Championship.
To be shown over a minimum of eight fences 2’9" to 3’ in height, spread not to exceed fence height. The coursemay be either a Jumper or Hunter type course and must include at least two changes of direction and a combination.Water obstacles (i.e.; water jump, liverpool) are not permitted. The top four riders are required to perform at leasttwo individual tests from USEF Tests 1-19. An Open Numerical Scoring System must be used in the ?rst round, witheach rider’s score announced at the completion of their round. There is no minimum requirement to ?ll the class.
Approximately forty riders will be invited to compete in the ?nals and will be chosen as follows; the high point riderin each of the regional series will be invited, along with additional riders working from the top down on the NationalStandings list for the qualifying period. Any un?lled slots will be chosen by continuing down the National Standings list.[/QUOTE]
thanks! strange. i swear it used to be different. that makes me feel a little bit better though!
THIS medal has always been open to riders who haven’t competed in a 3’6" national finals. So a lot of the kids who have done the THIS finals and been in the top placings have already qualified for the year end 3’6" finals and do them in the following weeks. Always seemed a bit odd to me, but it is a nice stepping stone between doing the Children’s hunter division and the big eq classes.
