@ladyj79 One of the discounters is part of a horse transportation business east of Los Angeles. I get more of a trainer, possibly east coast vibe, from the poster who strongly discounted the victims in this thread. But I’ve been wrong before.
Agreed. I had the same reaction, but noticed that a Flintridge rider from the same era as the women quoted in the article quickly responded to say that JR was not correct in her assumption.
Yeah it’s awesome when it’s 2018 and “they wanted it” is tossed out as a legitimate excuse for pedophilia and the rape of children.
Seriously, some people are flocking awful.
So does this mean George H. Morris is going to publicly retract his praise for Jimmy Williams throughout the years? (See chron article on GHM memories of inductions to the show jumping hall of fame http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/my-own-memories-show-jumping-hall-fame ) He has no problems criticizing young female riders for their weight or for stupid inconsequential things their saddle pad color. He has had no qualms about berating the horse community about how much better things were in the olde days. Did he suddenly grow mute?
People like GHM who were powerful at the time of these abuses -and who are still powerful- owe a public account of why nothing was done and should acknowledge the bravery of the women who told their stories.
I believe people will step up and say what has happened to them. Safe Sport is here for that reason. Please don’t let this horror continue to be perpetrated on vulnerable girls or boys. Please speak up.
I admire you for speaking out, you brave COTH members. You are brilliant and the example you set leads the way to the solution of this problem . I feel like standing on a desk and saying “Oh Captain my Captain” to you.:sadsmile:
Hopefully no one will get away with this horrendous behavior anymore. If one person or child can come forward there is a chance to stop the behavior of one abuser who can hurt so many people.
This intimidation, coercion, and violence, is so terribly destructive, so inexcusable… we really must to do everything we can to stop it.
My Junior horse was from the Love family’s breeding program at their Airy Hall Plantation. . Russel Stewart was their pro, and that mare was named after their own daughter, Judy. There was a full sister to my mare named for another daughter, Flying Diane.
im no longer in the business and we each have our own decision to make but I will tell you that I feel no conflict over revealing my abuser. If this person is still living please call the Safe Sport line. This is the only way we can stop the epidemic …
This is the kind of person Phelps kept in his inner circle. As you can see, Ken Kraus was convicted of lewd behavior with a child under 16 pled innocent, later violated his probation. PHELPS KNEW. https://horseauthority.co/state-of-f…nneth-l-kraus/
He is not still living. So I can live with peace at that. It would be a different story if he was alive.
Meh, men are just as capable as finding it morally necessary to blow the whistle on a pedophile. And so any of those male pros who were at Flintridge at the time are “eligible” for speaking up. I don’t think it’s wise or just, nor productive to make the defense of victims of sexual assault the responsibility of just one gender.
Let’s just speak plainly about the crime so we can see what folks are choosing to defend by doing nothing.
I still own a copy of that book and every time I see a post by fair judy I think of the horse Fair Lady, and always wondered where the Judy came from, I had forgotten the name of the young girl in that story. Thanks for pointing this out.
Real people are posting under their real names and telling their true stories. To see you crow about your bravery and flame suit and willingness to be crucified under the name ‘supernatural’ is…not so brave. Judge all you want. Your contempt is irrelevant.
Found this old thread. [h=2]Attention Parents- What is wrong???[/h] Aug. 14, 2007, 08:38 AMn a blind eye. The comments are Much different. Gives me hope…
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I read it all. All of it. Abuse goes both ways. Women can be abused by other women or pressure just as easily. . Things happened years and years ago. I’m always so surprised by people who play the victim. Sometimes they are. Sometimes they are not.
Never, ever would I wait till someone is dead before ., woe is me… I’m a victim. Y’all go on, Pretty sure out Chronicle is now [liberal] to the max owned. At least one of the major victims??? Cry me a river. I’m appalled. Don’t wait till someone does and comes out… Especially… well… I’ll leave that right there…
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Victim/survivor shaming is unbecoming a horsewoman.
I have to speak up as a survivor. Not in the equine world. Abuse occurs with both genders. I signed a non disclosure statement believing it was legal and binding. It was not. I was very young and at the time, the EEOC was all that existed. I did what was best for me and family at that time. You can judge and second guess me all you want; I promise I have done more self judging and self second guessing more than anyone else can. We, all of us, do what we think is best at that given moment in time. Often we look back and wish we could have re-written that page in our book.
One must not be a railbird at a horse show and think they know better than that horse/rider combination in front of them going over the sticks. One must know the history and circumstances and all the facts before whispering assumptions about that horse/rider combination.
The man who did what he did to me is alive and well 3000 miles away from me. It doesn’t matter if perp is dead or alive; abuse is abuse. Jimmy Williams, the revered, cannot defend himself from the grave. Too bad.
I believe the women, especially Anne Kursinski. I also believe Susie Hutchison that she saw nothing. I have no reason to doubt any of the survivors because I was not there and I am no railbird presuming to know better. I know how hard it is to tell. Threats work very well with one is young. So…maybe reconsider and contemplate that we only walk in our own life shoes, not anyone elses…just a thought…not meant to offend and my apologies in advance if I have.
Innocent until proven guilty is a criminal law principle, and no one’s risking jail time as a result of this discussion. Too bad it didn’t happen decades earlier. Treating the topic as out of bounds because the accused is dead buys into exactly the system that allowed it to continue while he was alive - and it’s not just his story to share.
It may be that there are a lot of people out there who, like me, were blown away by the news and the extent of the problem (I’d heard a few rumors, but it didn’t seem like an epidemic. It may be that there are people reading this who are experiencing it now, or who know others who are, and who might get some confidence from it to talk to someone, whether it’s the police or some stranger on the interwebs - or for god’s sake, the new kid at the barn who has no idea.
I’ve got to go hug my horse. Thank you all for enlightening me, ugly as it is. There but for the grace of god…
ETA I want to be clear that I’m not blaming the other kids at the barn for anything - just always had friends who looked out for each other, so think of it like not letting someone - even a stranger - step into a street in front of a car. You don’t have to explain - just yank an arm.
I am glad to know that was hypothetical.
I am echoing that.
I would like to know also, please.
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I am angry for the young girl that you were. I am angry at these grown adult men who molested you. I am glad that today you are able to “stand in the light”.
What was the Jimmy Williams Oval is now called the Grand Prix Arena in the premium schedule for the upcoming Flintridge show. When I checked a week ago it was still the JW Oval.
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