As I thought…
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So is there another horse with injuries? I thought she was making reference to Watchtower’s website…
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Obviously it’s a horrible thing when a horse is run on terrible injuries, and it should never happen. But there are certain cases where the injuries haven’t been nearly as bad as they have been made out to be, and even if they were, it is not a retirement farm’s place to publicly flog a trainer. EVER! As mentioned already, in the end, it only hurts the horses.
The only other horse I know of that went from Suffolk Downs to Watchtower Farm with a “broken leg” as Barnfairy calls it, was a gelding named Hansello. I actually saw his x-rays… slab fracture… I don’t remember him having a bow. He’s a tough horse, healed-up nicely from what I was told. Also told that a then track steward, Sam Elliott, bought him from his trainer because he wouldn’t retire him. That story came from your friend on the backside. If you don’t believe it ask her. Just repeating what was considered to be the truth as told to the people at Watchtower Farm.
Nope that is the story I got about Hansello also - Sam has helped many, many horses by doing much the same thing. Suffolk is lucky to have him.
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Nope that is the story I got about Hansello also - Sam has helped many, many horses by doing much the same thing. Suffolk is lucky to have him.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
I just made an inquiry. The only other horse that went to Deerfield, NH under circumstances similar to what you described, and before Watchtower Farm took over the location, was a mare from Hansello’s trainer. The mare was called Smotheredwithlove and was sponsored by a steward, Susan Walsh for Canter. Canter had caused the mare to be scratched from a race for an injury and that is a reason her trainer resists dealing with the rescues at Suffolk Downs. Just repeating… Canter is considered an in-house retirement option so perhaps your issue should be taken-up with them…
You just don’t get it.
There was actually a time I recommended David’s place to others as a retirement resource, but no more.
I was not referring to Watchtower earlier, however the sensationalist accusations directed towards Lorita in his write up are exactly the kind of continued smack talk which causes other hard-working genuine horsemen to want to have nothing to do with rescues. This is also a significant reason as to why CANTER and the TRF pulled all ties with that farm.
I never said a horse was running on broken legs; those words come right from the farm’s website.
You have made it clear by your posts here that you are only interested in the warping the truth, twisting people’s words, and attempting to soil innocent people’s good reputations.
I have spoken my piece and am done with you.
Apologies to my fellow forum readers for the rant. Something had to be said.
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You just don’t get it.
There was actually a time I recommended David’s place to others as a retirement resource, but no more.
I was not referring to Watchtower earlier, however the sensationalist accusations directed towards Lorita in his write up are exactly the kind of continued smack talk which causes other hard-working genuine horsemen to want to have nothing to do with rescues. This is also a significant reason as to why CANTER and the TRF pulled all ties with that farm.
I never said a horse was running on broken legs; those words come right from the farm’s website.
You have made it clear by your posts here that you are only interested in the warping the truth, twisting people’s words, and attempting to soil innocent people’s good reputations.
I have spoken my piece and am done with you.
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What I do know to be true is that Watchtower’s injuries were evaluated by a vet and that Watchtower’s previous owner confirmed the injuries and has checked-up on him at Watchtower Farm because he cares about the horse. Since you mentioned her name, Lorita, on the other hand, wanted to keep running him, even after a vet at the racetrack identified the bowed tendon and broken bone in his leg; not what I or anyone but you and AddJumper have called “broken legs.” Watchtower’s owner stopped her. There’s no need to “warp the truth.” The truth is on Watchtower’s website. I don’t see the benefit, however, to blasting it throughout this discussion in the form of innuendo.
Incidentally, Watchtower Farm is not a rescue. It’s a private retirement farm operated by a nonprofit organization. It is neither owned nor operated by an individual.
Canter and the TRF were boarders at the former High Acres Farm where Watchtower Farm is now located. The TRF was asked to remove its horses for failing to pay its bill. Prior to that, Canter removed its horses because they could no longer afford to pay board and had to rely only on foster homes at that time. I believe Suffolk Downs even made it a condition that they not accept any horses from the racetrack at that time if they were to receive funding from it. That may have changed at this point but it was true at the time.
Incidentally, Lorita took care of the TRF and Canter horses at High Acres Farm and was also asked to leave and remove her own two horses because the owners were not satisfied with the care the horses were receiving and the condition they were in after being under her care for several months.
I happen to think that the stallion Watchtower is very fortunate to be where he is as a result of the efforts of several people who care about him.
Perhaps we should start a new thread about Watchtower so that we can get back to writing about Mike Gill in this one!
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I don’t find it to be useful to bring up that particular trainer’s name again, given his feeling about retirement groups.
Obviously it’s a horrible thing when a horse is run on terrible injuries, and it should never happen. But there are certain cases where the injuries haven’t been nearly as bad as they have been made out to be, and even if they were, it is not a retirement farm’s place to publicly flog a trainer. EVER! As mentioned already, in the end, it only hurts the horses.[/QUOTE]
So, you’re talking about Carlos, KING OF THE FAIRS!
If you want to talk to someone that knows how to give a good public flogging to a trainer, talk to Ellen at Canter New England. She’d put Carlos out of business if she could. Ellen gave information to the stewards at Suffolk Downs that had his horse Smotheredwithlove scratched and told Carlos to take her to court if he didn’t like it! Steward, Susan Walsh bought the mare, sent it to High Acres Farm and donated it to Canter. Carlos was not to know about the arrangements. Ask Carlos or Ellen or Susan about that if you don’t believe it.
You need to face facts and start again Jessica.
Obviously it’s not Carlos since he still works with CANTER and the TRF.
YOU need to get YOUR facts straight, and I suggest that perhaps you talk to Lorita since clearly the information you have received about her, the TRF, and CANTER is amazingly incorrect. Even suggesting that she would provide less then stellar care for a horse is unbelievably offensive, and unless you were there to see the horses, I would be careful about making statements like that. Just because she and David Sears had a falling out doesn’t mean it’s ok to smear her and say that she wasn’t caring for horses properly. Yes, the same David Sears who owned, and still owns the location that Watchtower farm is built on - the same David Sears who was responsible for the TRF and CANTER horses.
If I’m recalling correctly, CANTER received calls about the condition of the horses on the farm before Lorita was employed there, as Ellen asked me to drive by the farm to evaluate them. I would assume that some of those horses were TRF horses, and perhaps that is why they pulled their animals, don’t ya think? I know there was an issue with the billing because the TRF pays at the end of the month, and David wanted a check at the beginning - not exactly not paying a bill at all!
David paid $6000 for Watchtower to his former owner. Not exactly a p-o’d owner pulling a horse because it was being run on injuries.
Again, I encourage you to call Lorita and get the facts - she is waiting for your phone call.
I forget, how is Michael Gill related to all of this?
Edited as the information about Watchtower’s purchase that is common knowledge to many drew this response from David Sears this afternoon:
“Posting information, including the price that was paid for a Watchtower, on a public forum is a detriment to my private interests. The
transaction was private and an explanation for it is absolutely not appropriate.”
I was also welcomed to leave the information that I knew to be true in my post, however, I’ll just delete the whole thing and be done with it since I don’t typically try to defame anyone with incorrect information.
I don’t know, I’ve lost track…but now AppJumpr and I look like a couple of loonies talking to ourselves with all the Grand Prix smack talk posts missing! :lol:
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I don’t know, I’ve lost track…but now AppJumpr and I look like a couple of loonies talking to ourselves with all the Grand Prix smack talk posts missing! :lol:[/QUOTE]
It’s the kool aid that made us do it!! :lol::lol: I talk to myself all the time 
She won the 2nd start off the claim for gill
A horse I bought as a yearling, broke to tack and started u/s, but sold at 3 to a private owner, as circumstances occurred where I couldn’t afford to get him to the track and they could, has just been claimed by Michael Gill in his 4th start, at Philly Park.
I thought I remembered an ominous thread about Gill and sure enough pulled this up.
Now I’m a bit worried about “my” boy. I’ve been keeping track of him through stable mail, and he seemed to be doing okay, until today (first time off the board, 5th)…
Anyway, is anyone around Philly Park that could let me know if he looks to be in trouble? His name is “New Yankee Man”, he’s now a 4 yo gelding. I intend to offer him a retirement home, no matter what shape he might be in at his career’s end… I will keep tracking his races & wo’s on stable mail, but thought I’d ask here too, just in case…
Thanks,
Arcadien
