Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[cheval_convert]

Should LK, JK, and RG be held liable for Michael’s mental, emotional, spiritual, as well as physical trauma? And should their actions that eventually brought about his mental breakdown mitigate any damages they have against him. After all, she planned to break him, she just did not anticipate how that brokenness would play out. Is it the egg’s fault if the chef cracks it and it lands on the cooktop instead of in the pan?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

Oh look, @CurrentlyHorseless has spun back to the concept that if you have a gun on you, you automatically are the aggressor.

No, not what I said, @trubandloki.

Even if LK or RG at some moment was the aggressor, the fact that MB brought a loaded gun to the scene is going to make it really difficult to succeed with a self defense claim.

He pled self defense at the criminal trial, and did not succeed in establishing self defense there. Does he have a better defense team in the civil trial?

His legal team was not allowed to argue self defense at the criminal trial. Taylor ruled on it.

New Judge, new trial, different rules this time.

Correct. Bilinkas was not allowed to argue that it was was defense given that he had not provided any evidence that it was self defense.

What evidence is there that MB shot LK in self defense? The prosecution provided considerable evidence that it was MB who drove over to LKs residence uninvited with a loaded gun. That alone is enough to sink a self defense claim.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@cheval_convert

Should LK, JK, and RG be held liable for Michael’s mental, emotional, spiritual, as well as physical trauma? And should their actions that eventually brought about his mental breakdown mitigate any damages they have against him. After all, she planned to break him, she just did not anticipate how that brokenness would play out. Is it the egg’s fault if the chef cracks it and it lands on the cooktop instead of in the pan?

If MB wants to try to hold LK, RG, and JK responsible for his mental trauma, it’s curious that he’s not suing RG and JK. It’s especially curious that he’s not suing RG for assaulting him and causing him to use the gun in self defense. Very curious.

Perhaps you should alert Bilinkas to amend the counter suit. Again.

[cheval_convert]

As I recall, LK and RG were not supposed to be at the house. Did MB know they were there when he drove there? If he did not know they were there, there are other reasons he may have brought the gun, which would completely negate the idea that he brought a gun with him to use against them.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

he brought the gun to the scene.

Again, you are short on proof, but of course you don’t care about proof, as long as your buddies and your idol say it is true, it must be so. How naive and gullible you are.

I’m astonished the Kanarek lovers have never raised a ruckus about the shoddy police work on this case. The entire ordeal would have been a complete slam dunk if only the most basic forensic evidence had been collected. Hmmm, I strongly suspect the entire spectacle was caught nice and tidy on their “missing” videos. Imagine that. I can all but guarantee the Karaneks are going to fail miserably with these suits, regardless whether they drop their suits or not. I can’t wait!!!

[cheval_convert]

Is RG a plaintiff in this case. MB is making a counter claim to the case that he has to defend against. Why bring in someone who has no income or assets, so no way to pay a claim?

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

I do not think the self defense claim will fly given by that he brought the gun to the scene. It didn’t fly at the criminal trial.

She was shot on SGF property with a gun provided by RC.

Isn’t it possible that:

1. He brought the gun to the scene
2. When he arrived on the scene, LK/RG tried to assault him… after all, they both have an EXTENSIVE record involving repeated assault charges
3. He then fired the gun he had on his person in self defense

I think that scenario is possible.

Question for you, CH

Are you operating on the assumption that all evidence and testimony regarding LK & RGs criminal pasts will be kept from the jury again during a civil trial? It seems like you are making that assumption.

The oft repeated theory of self defense is a variant of what you describe — MB brought the gun for some reason other than to attempt to kill then. There’s a confrontation, perhaps RG jumps MB (before or after MB brandishes the gun) and then MB uses the gun in self defense. (Was MB aiming at the scary ex-Marine, but accidentally pumped two bullets into LK? These proposed scenarios would need specifics.)

Even if MB shot in self defense at a moment when he feared his life was in danger, I think it will be hard to establish self defense when MB drove himself over there will a loaded gun.

Therefore, you should be working on a much more complicated scenario in which LK in her Ninjs costume stole the gun from the locked safe the night before (like all responsible gun owners, MB would pronounce the safes combination audibly and loudly every time he opens the safe to stash additional guns brought in from out of state illegally), and had the gun, along with her book, on the porch at the time she telepathically summoned MB that afternoon. MB, having been telepathically summoned, starts a polite conversation, RG or LK jumps him, and since LK was beating him about the head with her phone (despite having the gun), he grabs the gun and shots her.

Boy, I hope the trial is televised.

No, I am not operating under the assumption that negative information on LK and RG will be kept from the jury. I think MBs lawyers will bring the information in as much as they are allowed in order to paint the gun shot victim as unsympathetic, just as you are doing.

In my opinion, the various defendants should still be liable for for the injuries caused to a gun shot victim. Regardless of whether the victim is Simone Biles or Amber Heard.

Wrong.

[Knights_Mom]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

Boy, I hope the trial is televised.

Your whole post made me laugh, but this line made me laugh really hard.

(For those who do not get my amusement, CH refused to watch the other trial, and then talked about reading transcripts or something, blah, blah, blah.)

CH stated yesterday or the day before that they watched the trial.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

Oh look, @CurrentlyHorseless has spun back to the concept that if you have a gun on you, you automatically are the aggressor.

No, not what I said, @trubandloki.

Even if LK or RG at some moment was the aggressor, the fact that MB brought a loaded gun to the scene is going to make it really difficult to succeed with a self defense claim.

He pled self defense at the criminal trial, and did not succeed in establishing self defense there. Does he have a better defense team in the civil trial?

His legal team was not allowed to argue self defense at the criminal trial. Taylor ruled on it.

New Judge, new trial, different rules this time.

Correct. Bilinkas was not allowed to argue that it was was defense given that he had not provided any evidence that it was self defense.

What evidence is there that MB shot LK in self defense? The prosecution provided considerable evidence that it was MB who drove over to LKs residence uninvited with a loaded gun. That alone is enough to sink a self defense claim.

First sentence - they were not allowed to argue.
Second sentence - they did not provide any evidence.

Um…

Does one have to be invited to drive to their own house? Is this a movie in your head requirement, @CurrentlyHorseless?
Have you forgotten that Lauren Kanarek and Robert Guy Goodwin/Jim E Stark/Superman were kicked out of the house and were not supposed to be there so Michael had no way to know that they were there?
Since no one was supposed to be in the house, who exactly was Michael supposed to ask permission of to go to his own house?

You like to make up very amusing and creative facts that are not true. But keep on providing us all with amusement.

I will keep mentioning the thing that you are clearly trying to make go away - that Jonathan Kanarek, @Inigo-montoya, father of Lauren Kanarek, a lawyer, and Kirby Kanarek, @Seeker1, the mother of Lauren Kanarek, the wife of the lawyer father Jonathan Kanarek has now ignored their discovery subpoena twice and there are once again contempt filings.
So strange that Jonathan Kanarek posts here how he had all the information, how the lawyers lost it, and how he is so willing to cooperate in the civil case that his daughter filed, but then turns around and does not even do the most basic legal action when he gets a subpoena (or two), he just ignores it. Add to the strange of this family is Kirby Kanarek and Lauren Kanarek bragged about sending the transcripts that the subpoena are asking for to just about anyone and anyplace that they could think of as a tool to hurt Michael, but when it is time to produce them for the civil trial that gets ignored.
Those are certainly not the actions of people who care to follow the rules of the legal system or of people who are wanting to move their own civil case forward.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

Boy, I hope the trial is televised.

Your whole post made me laugh, but this line made me laugh really hard.

(For those who do not get my amusement, CH refused to watch the other trial, and then talked about reading transcripts or something, blah, blah, blah.)

No, @trubandloki. I watched the Barisone criminal trial.

On the 48 hours episode, I read the transcript of the episode before watching the episode, which I taped.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

She was shot on SGF property with a gun provided by RC.

Shot by whom? Rosie?

There’s as much physical evidence that Rosie did it as MB.

In terms of liability assessed against RC and SGF for the presence of the gun on the property, it doesn’t even matter who shot LK, just that she was shot.

So, just pretend for a moment (should be easy for you) that RG finally saw his opportunity to rid himself of the anchor around his neck and actually shot LK all by himself with whatever gun. Would that automatically make it an SGF problem? I mean everyone in NC knows those two fight like rabid dogs! No wonder he frequently “disappears” for a little R&R, just like he did as sweetums lay “dying” in her coma the days after the incident. Why on earth was RG anywhere near Newark Airport, and not the nice side of town either? Lots of questions will be brought up now that the sympathetic Taylor won’t be able to do JK’s bidding. Occam’s razor for sure

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

Boy, I hope the trial is televised.

Your whole post made me laugh, but this line made me laugh really hard.

That was the point. Any scenario in which the gun was brought to the scene by someone other than MB (which would be necessary to establish self defense) is laughable. Literally.

I’m hoping the trial is televised so I could listen to Bilinkas propose that theory with a straight face. Then say the theory satisfied the principle of Occam’s razor!

The dog Kujo had just bitten a person or two. It’s easily said that the gun was brought along for the dog if you’re going with the theory MB brought the gun.

And maybe Occams Razor dictates that MB suddenly grew concerned about the gun, went to the locker to check, saw it missing and rushed to the house.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@cheval_convert

Is RG a plaintiff in this case. MB is making a counter claim to the case that he has to defend against. Why bring in someone who has no income or assets, so no way to pay a claim?

RG is not a plaintiff.

However, if MB wants to sue for emotional damage or assault or for the recordings, he needs to sue the parties responsible those things, not just the person suing him.

[Maria]

Question: Why is it so questionable that MB would drive up to HIS house? Whether armed or not? He was living there just a couple of days previous. Why is it so special that he was not supposed to drive to his house? I don’t get this train of thought. Whether or not LK or RG or Bozo the clown was there, MB had every right to drive up to his house.

What am I missing?

[Knights_Mom]

@cheval_convert

Should LK, JK, and RG be held liable for Michael’s mental, emotional, spiritual, as well as physical trauma? And should their actions that eventually brought about his mental breakdown mitigate any damages they have against him. After all, she planned to break him, she just did not anticipate how that brokenness would play out. Is it the egg’s fault if the chef cracks it and it lands on the cooktop instead of in the pan?

And, her harassment of MB caused him to lose his freedom, income, honor etc etc

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

Boy, I hope the trial is televised.

Your whole post made me laugh, but this line made me laugh really hard.

That was the point. Any scenario in which the gun was brought to the scene by someone other than MB (which would be necessary to establish self defense) is laughable. Literally.

I’m hoping the trial is televised so I could listen to Bilinkas propose that theory with a straight face. Then say the theory satisfied the principle of Occam’s razor!

Clueless, the dog Kujo had just bitten a person or two. It’s easily said that the gun was brought along for the dog if you’re going with the theory MB brought the gun.

And maybe Occams Razor dictates that MB suddenly grew concerned about the gun, went to the locker to check, saw it missing and rushed to the house.

Both amusing stories. I wonder why Bilinkas did not float those stories at the criminal trial.

Perhaps he will at the civil trial.

[trubandloki]

@Maria

What am I missing?

The movie that plays in the head of people who like to ignore obvious facts, that is what you are missing.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

Boy, I hope the trial is televised.

Your whole post made me laugh, but this line made me laugh really hard.

That was the point. Any scenario in which the gun was brought to the scene by someone other than MB (which would be necessary to establish self defense) is laughable. Literally.

I’m hoping the trial is televised so I could listen to Bilinkas propose that theory with a straight face. Then say the theory satisfied the principle of Occam’s razor!

Clueless, the dog Kujo had just bitten a person or two. It’s easily said that the gun was brought along for the dog if you’re going with the theory MB brought the gun.

And maybe Occams Razor dictates that MB suddenly grew concerned about the gun, went to the locker to check, saw it missing and rushed to the house.

Both amusing stories. I wonder why Bilinkas did not float those stories at the criminal trial.

Perhaps he will at the civil trial.

Because his amnesia of the event made it so that he could not affirm that scenario and aid in his defense. Duh.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

Boy, I hope the trial is televised.

Your whole post made me laugh, but this line made me laugh really hard.

That was the point. Any scenario in which the gun was brought to the scene by someone other than MB (which would be necessary to establish self defense) is laughable. Literally.

I’m hoping the trial is televised so I could listen to Bilinkas propose that theory with a straight face. Then say the theory satisfied the principle of Occam’s razor!

Clueless, the dog Kujo had just bitten a person or two. It’s easily said that the gun was brought along for the dog if you’re going with the theory MB brought the gun.

And maybe Occams Razor dictates that MB suddenly grew concerned about the gun, went to the locker to check, saw it missing and rushed to the house.

Both amusing stories. I wonder why Bilinkas did not float those stories at the criminal trial.

Perhaps he will at the civil trial.

Because Judge Taylor would not allow him to “float” those details.

I know…too many facts are confusing for you.

Like the fact that Jonathan Kanarek @Inigo-montoya and Kirby Kanarek @Seeker1 both ignored their discovery subpoenas once again and there are contempt filings… Such hard facts to understand for some.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Maria

Question: Why is it so questionable that MB would drive up to HIS house? Whether armed or not? He was living there just a couple of days previous. Why is it so special that he was not supposed to drive to his house? I don’t get this train of thought. Whether or not LK or RG or Bozo the clown was there, MB had every right to drive up to his house.

What am I missing?

I don’t see any fault or crime in his driving to the farmhouse to talk to them.

The crime is shooting her. It will be difficult to succeed in a claim of shooting in self defense given that he brought the gun with him.