Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[ekat]

@Dragonfly90

Re the wiretapping. If wiretapping proved the fine seemed rather low, I thought I saw posted here $100 a day topping off at 1k.
And then it appeared damages
can be awarded. If I remember correctly MB was not aware of the wiretapping until after the incident. He had spent at some time a great deal $ on sweeps of the grounds(seemed they didn’t find anything.) Appreciate if anyone knows what damages MB is claiming in his civil suit due to wiretapping . Corrections and responses welcomed. Thank you.

The statute says actual damages, then punitive damages, then reasonable attorney’s fees.

Here’s his claim.

MB Correct amend answer 120522.pdf (268.6 KB)

[Dragonfly90]

Thank you! I knew I saw it but not where to look.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Item 3 is yet another example of the Kanarek family talking about sharing the illegal recordings with anyone and everyone they can.

I wonder how JK/IM feels about the admissibility of the existence of the audios? Even if the recordings themselves aren’t admitted? Or, the admissibility of posts like this, where he’s mentioning handing them out like Halloween Candy? And then, they did give a transcript to SS, that we know about.

Interesting things to ponder…

[trubandloki]

I admit that I also laughed at Jonathan Kanarek’s comments about MHG.

But yes, comment three reads like - you get a copy, you get a copy, you get a copy, a copy for you too.

I wonder how he feels about being added.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

I wonder how JK/IM feels about the admissibility of the existence of the audios? Even if the recordings themselves aren’t admitted? Or, the admissibility of posts like this, where he’s mentioning handing them out like Halloween Candy? And then, they did give a transcript to SS, that we know about.

Interesting things to ponder…

Let’s say MB gets released from Greystone in March, but the SafeSport suspension continues on for awhile, and MB has to pay more attorneys’ fees to deal with that.

Do you think he can claim lost earnings related to being prevented from training USEF member students due to the SafeSport suspension, and amy attorneys fees related to getting that suspension lifted as part of his total “actual damages” caused by the illegal wiretapping, and distribution of the related transcripts to SafeSport by LK?

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

SierraMist is one of my favorite posters.

shocker. not.

[trubandloki]

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

SierraMist is one of my favorite posters.

shocker. not.

Careful, I worry that JK will be jealous.

[Moderator_1]

Reminder to keep the focus on issues related to the case and not each other.

[MHM]

Just as a matter of curiosity, I wonder why JK/IM finally stopped posting here? He certainly had been posting for years, even after saying he did not want to post.

So I wonder what finally made him stop, even though apparently he still keeps reading the boards all the time?

[trubandloki]

After the verdict he posted a VERY nasty (libelous) post that was mostly edited.

I think he finally got smart enough to realize that posting might not be in his best interest.

And as time passes, it is becoming more and more clear that lots of his posts were him puffing his chest more than fact filled.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

You could always send him a PM to ask him.

I might be wrong, but I suspect he’s regularly logging in so that he can check his PMs, and send messages to posters he is still in touch with.

After all, he doesn’t need to log in if all he wants to do is read along with the threads.

[ekat]

@MHM

Just as a matter of curiosity, I wonder why JK/IM finally stopped posting here? He certainly had been posting for years, even after saying he did not want to post.

So I wonder what finally made him stop, even though apparently he still keeps reading the boards all the time?

I think it had a little something something to do with this, on the heels of his rage-induced and appropriately edited post:

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Not the quality of the artwork, the decision to draw a pie instead of a horse clearing a 51% hurdle.

A horse clearing a 51% “bar” would have indicated the preponderance of the evidence “standard”, and would have been, well, more horsey. The pie is great for the division of liability at the end, but not for the clearing the bar at the first stage.

What does that mean, @Virginia_Horse_Mom?

Are you disputing that the standard of proof in a civil trial is “the preponderance of the evidence” and “preponderance” is interpreted as 51%?

Are you disputing that the various artists missed an opportunity to draw pretty horses clearing the 51% bar (or not) and just gave us more and more boring pies?

[MHM]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

You could always send him a PM to ask him.

Pass, thanks.

[Dragonfly90]

So the damages MB is claiming is not so much from the placing of them(which to do so results in a fine, limited by law) but the the mention of them after the incident? There certainly was a lot of talk about them but did anyone except immediate family, lawyers (and maybe one friend)ever hear them. They were not used in criminal court(I am assuming by then the realization that it could be a legal problem to use them). It was foolish to even talk about their existence or what possibly could be on them in any case but at least they were not released publicly or on social media which would have given more weight to MB case as far as damages to his reputation etc on the wiretapping part. Appears MB’s attorneys do not want them released so perhaps that is more what this part of the civil suit is about. IDK, not an attorney and not an insider(if I was would know what is going on and not have to check here to see if anything new!)

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

You know, that post reminds me of a hilarious stage my son went through when he was 3. He was in preschool at the time, and when we would pick him up, and ask him about his day, he would speak about it in the 3rd person…

“Johnny ate a snack with his friends. Then Johnny listened to a story, and painted pictures.”

It was such a funny and strange stage. It got more extensive for awhile… and my son would talk about himself and his likes and dislikes using the third person all the time, when he was at home as well… “Johnny loves his oatmeal.” “Johnny loves Thomas the Train.”

It went on for almost a year, and Mr. VHM and I just got used to it and stopped noticing it after awhile. Then relatives or friends would visit, and would look at us, and be like, “Uhhhh… you all realize he is speaking about himself in the third person. Does he always do this?”

Anyway… this court filing referencing IMs posts about JK reminded me of that.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Omgitsme

So you agree that LO is essentially a battered woman being taken advantage of? That’s not a good look.

Sierra Mist expressed concern that LO was being taken advantage of by MB. I did not see where she said LO was a battered woman.

I trust SMs statements on legal matters. Her concerns for LO
being taken advantage of does not into that category.

SierraMist is one of my favorite posters.

SierraMist expressed concern?! Bahahaha!! Yeah we believe that “concern” is legit.

You insult us posting things so blatantly ridiculous.

[ekat]

@Dragonfly90

So the damages MB is claiming is not so much from the placing of them(which to do so results in a fine, limited by law) but the the mention of them after the incident? There certainly was a lot of talk about them but did anyone except immediate family, lawyers (and maybe one friend)ever hear them. They were not used in criminal court(I am assuming by then the realization that it could be a legal problem to use them). It was foolish to even talk about their existence or what possibly could be on them in any case but at least they were not released publicly or on social media which would have given more weight to MB case as far as damages to his reputation etc on the wiretapping part. Appears MB’s attorneys do not want them released so perhaps that is more what this part of the civil suit is about. IDK, not an attorney and not an insider(if I was would know what is going on and not have to check here to see if anything new!)

Oh, LK quoted them here, and on FB, and on YouTube. She used them in her SS report. She published personal, private and in some cases privileged conversations (between MB and Mr Tarshis) on FB the week before the shooting.

JK posted quotes here. So did KK.

They haven’t been shy about distributing what they want to distribute from those recordings when it suits their needs.

[eggbutt]

@trubandloki

Another one of Jonathan Kanarek’s (@Inigo-montoya) posts that did not age well.

Item 3 is yet another example of the Kanarek family talking about sharing the illegal recordings with anyone and everyone they can.

I assume #4 was one of their infamous bombshells that never saw the light of day?

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[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

@Dragonfly90

So the damages MB is claiming is not so much from the placing of them(which to do so results in a fine, limited by law) but the the mention of them after the incident? There certainly was a lot of talk about them but did anyone except immediate family, lawyers (and maybe one friend)ever hear them. They were not used in criminal court(I am assuming by then the realization that it could be a legal problem to use them). It was foolish to even talk about their existence or what possibly could be on them in any case but at least they were not released publicly or on social media which would have given more weight to MB case as far as damages to his reputation etc on the wiretapping part. Appears MB’s attorneys do not want them released so perhaps that is more what this part of the civil suit is about. IDK, not an attorney and not an insider(if I was would know what is going on and not have to check here to see if anything new!)

Oh, LK quoted them here, and on FB, and on YouTube. She used them in her SS report. She published personal, private and in some cases privileged conversations (between MB and Mr Tarshis) on FB the week before the shooting.

JK posted quotes here. So did KK.

They haven’t been shy about distributing what they want to distribute from those recordings when it suits their needs.

I also wonder how many of the “quotes” LK, JK and KK referenced from the illegal recordings in their multiple public statements were inaccurate and misleading, and intended to create the most negative impression possible about MB (and other people), and their private conversations that were illegally recorded.

Maybe MHG should pursue her own civil suit of LK. After all, LK clearly recorded her illegally, and then tried to initiate a legal proceeding that could have impacted MHG’s custody situation with respect to her children.

Think about that.

If MHG decides to just continue on with her life, riding and competing at the highest levels, and not sue LK,

Honestly? LK should be grateful for MHGs choice to take the high road.