Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[eggbutt]

Please ignore particular posters who are frantically trying to do their assignment of closing the thread. Seems some nerves have been frayed today.

[Knights_Mom]

@FitzE

@IPEsq

It’s soooo strange that the plaintiff and parties related to the plaintiff are trying to delay so much.

So much this! I’ve never heard of such nonsense particularly from the family of the plaintiff. It’s so rare that it strongly suggests something is seriously wrong plaintiff side. No other reasonable explanation.

So much this!

[Knights_Mom]

@rosinante

@Knights_Mom

Yes but note quite the price was paid for defiance of the law.

I don’t understand what you are saying. Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Yes he was disbarred and that is a heavy (deserved) price for being a dirty cheat for it shakes the very foundation of trust the people should have in the law.

[Sdel]

@Knights_Mom

@rosinante

@Knights_Mom

Yes but note quite the price was paid for defiance of the law.

I don’t understand what you are saying. Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Yes he was disbarred and that is a heavy (deserved) price for being a dirty cheat for it shakes the very foundation of trust the people should have in the law.

Too bad judges aren’t held to the same standards re: breeding mistrust in people for the law.

[Danvers]

If they haven’t been destroy then why have they not been produced as asked by the court? me thinks the KK"s protest too much…

[MHM]

@Ambitious_Kate

That one always made me chuckle. Who were they saying did the construction work? I mean, to the tune of 50k. They claim RG did all this work for Barisone. But they reported the shoddy construction work. So who did the work and wants to get paid? Some other dude?

Maybe that’s where Michael Goodwin comes in.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Your role in these threads is far greater than mine. Does that mean that you must be MB, a close associate of his, or a family member?

Yes, you got me. I’m Michael Barisone. Or Spartacus. I keep forgetting.

My role here is of a person whom LK threatened.

Show me on this doll where MB hurt YOU.

[Knights_Mom]

@ohnoO

LK does not have the emotional maturity to post as much as you have using complete sentences, no emojis nor random strange punctuation.

The irony is LK would never spend this amount of energy to defend those who defend her so tirelessly.

IMO

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@cutter99

@eggbutt

@3PonyFarm

Why didn’t the MCPO request the videos mentioned in the phone call between RG and JK during their investigation?

There are so many “why didn’t the MCPO…” do so many things any average trained police department would have automatically done. What a complete system failure on so many levels.

I believe the poster who recently questioned if the MCPO had been led to believe Lauren Shay Kanarek owned HH and Michael was the tenant is on to something. I’m sorry I don’t recall who the poster was and I can’t find the post but I’ve thought that idea might have some basis in fact since I read the post.

It was me @eggbutt, and further back on this thread.

In my thinking, how else could the district attorney could have told LK that Michael Barisone had NO rights to restrict her usage and barn time on HIS farm?

There are only 2 explanations for this-

LK is lying about the conversation with the district attorney.

LK lied to the district attorney about who the rightful owner of Hawthorne Hill was.

Either way- LK is still a liar!

LK was a tenant and her tenancy included the house and the barn where her horses lived. Tenant rights in New Jersey.

Are you sure this is the story you wish to present? Is this the latest version? That LKs tenancy was not just for the apartment but for the boarding part and stable occupancy too?

Let me know because I’m already salivating at all those juicy things this means.

[hut-ho78]

Remember, New Jersey has a “repair and deduct” method for renters to make repairs that affect habitability, a landlord responsibility. If either the landlord or the tenant hire a contractor, the contractor has to be registered but the owner and tenant do not. The owner and tenant can perform certain kinds of maintenance so long as they don’t require a licensed professional such as an electrician or plumber. Repairs for Sheetrock, tile, bathroom and kitchen appliance and fixture replacement do not require a license or a registration so long as it is done by the owner or tenant, walls are not moved, wiring and plumbing is not changed, etc.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Remember, New Jersey has a “repair and deduct” method for renters to make repairs that affect habitability, a landlord responsibility. If either the landlord or the tenant hire a contractor, the contractor has to be registered but the owner and tenant do not. The owner and tenant can perform certain kinds of maintenance so long as they don’t require a licensed professional such as an electrician or plumber. Repairs for Sheetrock, tile, bathroom and kitchen appliance and fixture replacement do not require a license or a registration so long as it is done by the owner or tenant, walls are not moved, wiring and plumbing is not changed, etc.

Show me a rental agreement with RGs signature otherwise your otherwise invalid point is further made moot.

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

The owner and tenant can perform certain kinds of maintenance so long as they don’t require a licensed professional such as an electrician or plumber.

SGF came out point blank and said RG was doing electrical work in the house basement.

[cheval_convert]

@smoofox

No one has even mentioned my personal weakness… warm cinnamon buns. Even Cinnabons - although they could challenge those doughy fresh glazed Krispy Kremes (ick) for sweetness. Just the smell of fresh cinnamon buns… makes me smile inside and out.

I used to make caramelized whole wheat cinnamon rolls. You needed to eat the warm to really appreciate the creamy caramelized goodnes.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@eggbutt

Please ignore particular posters who are frantically trying to do their assignment of closing the thread. Seems some nerves have been frayed today.

oKAY

[IPEsq]

@hut-ho78

@FitzE

@IPEsq

It’s soooo strange that the plaintiff and parties related to the plaintiff are trying to delay so much.

So much this! I’ve never heard of such nonsense particularly from the family of the plaintiff. It’s so rare that it strongly suggests something is seriously wrong plaintiff side. No other reasonable explanation.

I don’t know what y’all think these are delaying tactics. The ones I had to represent my employer on were between 15 and 20 years of back and forth and retrials. It hasn’t yet even been a year since the close of the criminal trial and somewhere in google I read that New Jersey just streamlined it’s civil trials to speed them up to an average of two years time.

I don’t see the parents as 3rd parties delaying the trial by their efforts to avoid being harassed by the defense attorneys.

Typically, the plaintiff wants to move forward with discovery. Sure, some requests can be burdensome or overbroad, in which case usually the receiving party still responds to the requesting party but includes some objections about those interrogatories, requests for production, etc.

I have never personally been involved in anything where a cross motion to quash is filed from the plaintiff for a third party. And often plaintiffs are the ones requesting information and things from potentially related parties. Especially in a case like this where these people supposedly have things to support plaintiff’s case. And motions to quash were denied already?

As plaintiff’s counsel, I’ve filed and won several motions to compel and motions for sanctions (including requests for judgment) against non-compliant defendants. I’ve also had one side flood the other side with documents with a, oh you think this is all irrelevant, well too bad because your request was broad and we are complying. Also all designated attorney’s eyes only to drive up costs for the other side.

There are a lot of discovery games that can be played. And I dislike litigation for this reason. Retrial is a totally separate thing, so not sure why you used that as an example? But I stand by my statement that it is very strange for a plaintiff to object to participating in discovery. I also note that the parents are not the plaintiff so I’m not sure why so called harassment of the plaintiffs is relevant to my statement.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Knights_Mom

further made moot.

I like “Made further moot”. Lucsious.

[BigMama1]

@erinmeri

Agreed!! And yes! Someone post a poll. But, according to this poster everyone here believes that Michael didn’t shoot Lauren.

As is so often the case, that poster is wrong.

Speaking for myself, I don’t believe Michael didn’t shoot Lauren. I also don’t believe he did shoot her. I believe there was not enough physical evidence produced to make a conclusion either way. (Yes CH, I know the criminal trial jury reached a conclusion. We all understand that.) I believe there are a couple of plausible scenarios in which Michael shot her, either accidentally or intentionally. I believe there are several equally plausible scenarios in which Michael did not pull the trigger and may not even have held the gun.

I believe many more details will come to the light in the civil trial, perhaps enough to point conclusively towards one scenario above all others.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@BigMama1

I believe many more details will come to the light in the civil trial, perhaps enough to point conclusively towards one scenario above all others.

I wonder which it will be. I don’t belive it will include one where Michael shot Lauren. I think Rob shot Lauren. It could even be that JK shot Lauren. It would explain why RG didn’t know she was shot and was yelling at her to put the dog in the house while he grappled with MB on the ground.

[Knights_Mom]

@Ambitious_Kate

@Knights_Mom

further made moot.

I like “Made further moot”. Lucsious.

I originally had it that way but then changed it. Should I have left it?

[MHM]

Ok, I think this is my first attempt at a poll.

• MB shot LK on purpose.
• MB shot LK by accident.
• MB shot LK in self defense.
• LK was shot by someone else.
• I don’t know what happened that day.