Military horses up for adoption

[QUOTE=Haybert;8543934]
Why not just give them a good month at grass and euthanize them?

An unsound navicular case and a kicker.

That sounds responsible.

I say OP, do a petition and give these horses a break.

Honestly. I live in an area where horses devolve toward the killer’s pen because of this kind of irresponsibility.

I’m not happy about this. These horses did serve. They ARE pawning off end of life decisions onto someone who may not be prepared for this.

We won’t go into the mustang sales I’ve been to. You folks ought to come on out and watch people roll up with their ill-prepared-for-a-feral-horse trailers. That’s worth watching.

Only after the cowboy diddles around with some natural horsemanship and makes it look like you can back one in one day.

Suckered, yes.
Poor horses.[/QUOTE]

Well, I guess we can see who didn’t bother to read the linked memo OR adoption requirements.

[QUOTE=Wicky;8543122]
You would think that these horses would be supported by the military in retirement!

http://www.wcvb.com/news/military-horses-used-at-arlington-natl-cemetery-up-for-adoption/38142438

Sorry, I missed that this had been posted already. Still ashamed that our military won’t support a navicular horse and a horse that kicks, after a decade of service honoring fallen warriors.[/QUOTE]

Great. I don’t need my tax dollars supporting a horse that is of no use. That to me falls under waste, fraud & abuse.

I think they are doing the best thing and are brutally honest in their descriptions.

As for Kennedy, I have known plenty of horses with terribly bad raps that do a complete turnaround in a different environment, kickers included. :wink:

Just sounds like he wants a new job, so here he is getting his opportunity to have one.

The jobs asked of these horses and standards that they must meet at all times are just as strict as those for the men and women who work along side of them.

The navicular horse can’t work there because he’s required to work on concrete multiple times a day if necessary. They ARE looking out for his best interest. The teams work a week on , week off schedule and the ones on perform up to 4 funerals a day everyday. That is A LOT of walking and standing on concrete and asphalt.

The kicker might simply be a bad fit… perhaps the work isn’t challenging enough for him. Not every horse wants to stand quietly fully tacked , during all the pageantry that is involved in a military funeral.

It sounds to me like they are absolutely doing what is best by finding them a more suitable life/home vs keeping them in a career that is either mentally or physically unsuitable.

well, I’m submitting an application to adopt. Don’t know if they’ll consider me given the distance, but giving it a try. My sister in DC is prepared to trailer to me.

I really don’t get the criticism that they’re being dumped-- kinda sounds like it’s coming from someone who pretty much hates everything about the government. The application form is 7 pages (!) long, and assuming they check references and verify my responses, it will be a quite thorough vetting indeed.

[QUOTE=HungarianHippo;8544372]
well, I’m submitting an application to adopt. Don’t know if they’ll consider me given the distance, but giving it a try. My sister in DC is prepared to trailer to me.

I really don’t get the criticism that they’re being dumped-- kinda sounds like it’s coming from someone who pretty much hates everything about the government. The application form is 7 pages (!) long, and assuming they check references and verify my responses, it will be a quite thorough vetting indeed.[/QUOTE]

Good luck :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=HungarianHippo;8544372]
well, I’m submitting an application to adopt. Don’t know if they’ll consider me given the distance, but giving it a try. My sister in DC is prepared to trailer to me.

I really don’t get the criticism that they’re being dumped-- kinda sounds like it’s coming from someone who pretty much hates everything about the government. The application form is 7 pages (!) long, and assuming they check references and verify my responses, it will be a quite thorough vetting indeed.[/QUOTE]

The criticism is based upon that witch’s brew of ignorance and emotion.

These horses are U.S. property. That being the case they must be “surveyed” (a military term for “disposed of”) IAW certain very specific rules. During the existence of the Horse Cavalry horses were surveyed at about 16 years of age. They were generally sold at public auction and the funds received went back into the General Fund.* If the horse were injured prior to 16 such that it was no longer suitable for military use but had commercial value it would also be sold at auction. In general these horses were desirable as they were quite well trained. If a horse were lamed or otherwise unfit for any service they would be likely euthanized. I suspect that at least some were sold at auction and ended up in slaughter pens. In those days that would not have been an issue.

I don’t have access to the Army regulations covering the surveying of these horses. I’ll presume the unit is properly following them; a failure to do so would be very bad for the C.O. And this IS a high profile unit.

There are at least six other Army mounted, ceremonial units that I’m aware of. There are also Artillery and Wagon horses and mules on some posts. They would likely fall under the same general rules as the Old Guard. The Marines maintain at mounted color guard at Barstow.

We might also note that horses are donated to all these units. I don’t know of any that are purchased, although some might be. I’d have to ask a couple of unit commanders just how they get them. As with all “donated” horses they get some good ones and they get some real problems.

The Marines get theirs from the BLM, IIRC.

There is a mountain warfare school in CA where they have horses and mules and teach classes in packing. They may be adding some riding instruction based upon experience in Afghanistan. When these animals are surveyed they would have to follow their rules.

G.

*There is a movie called “Pursuit of Honor” which claims to be “based on fact” but is, sadly, a complete fabrication except for one small item. In that story Gen. MacArthur orders the shooting of 1000 horses in AZ and a heroic young Lt. Don Johnson, along with a couple of others, steals the herd and follows the “outlaw trail” to Canada. The true part of the story begins in DC where the DC Police Chief and Gen. MacArthur have lied to President Hoover about the “bonus marcher camps” claiming that they are dens of iniquity and rife with prostitution, gambling, drinking, drug use, etc. Hoover then orders MacAurthur to remove the marchers and he orders troops, among them a Cavalry regiment, to carry out the removal. Many of the troopers are also WWI vets and very sympathetic to the marchers. Fearing a possible mutiny, the Col. commanding the regiment authorizes any enlisted man who wishes may “fall out” and not carry out the order. There will be no consequence for any man who does so. Many do. The rest move the marchers; that’s the fact. In the film not only do some troopers fall out but also Lt. Johnson. This is “poetic license.” Officers were not permitted to “fall out” in reality. He then gets transferred to AZ in punishment along with his co-stars. From there they go to Canada with 1000 stolen horses. Right.

This memo seems to cover at the very least the adoption procedures and how it’s handled if they don’t get adopted.

[QUOTE=Wicky;8543122]
You would think that these horses would be supported by the military in retirement!

http://www.wcvb.com/news/military-horses-used-at-arlington-natl-cemetery-up-for-adoption/38142438

Sorry, I missed that this had been posted already. Still ashamed that our military won’t support a navicular horse and a horse that kicks, after a decade of service honoring fallen warriors.[/QUOTE]

Just a quick question; where do you think the military gets money? It’s our tax dollars. Now if you want your tax dollars to support these horses, then write to your senators and representatives. If you want to support them yourself; go for it.

Sheesh! :confused:

[QUOTE=JustTheTicket;8543130]
You’re mad that they’re looking for retirement homes for their horses? Its not like they’re sending them off to the glue factory.[/QUOTE]

which is the way they had disposed of stock, the horses used to be listed on the Government Surplus web sites

How many TB’s are bred and sent to slaughter each year? And people complain about the military putting 2 horses up for adoption? The lack of logic amazes me…

[QUOTE=red mares;8544230]
Great. I don’t need my tax dollars supporting a horse that is of no use. That to me falls under waste, fraud & abuse.[/QUOTE]

might include most of Congress as well as the Whitehouse as they also seem to be pretty much worthless also

For anyone interested, here is an update on one of the horses - Quincy, the one that has navicular disease:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNdrbLKhms

[QUOTE=Liberty;8766458]
For anyone interested, here is an update on one of the horses - Quincy, the one that has navicular disease:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNdrbLKhms[/QUOTE]

When I saw that video I thought the name sounded familiar. So glad he landed softly.

[QUOTE=trubandloki;8766491]
When I saw that video I thought the name sounded familiar. So glad he landed softly.[/QUOTE]

Yep. The name sounded familiar to me, too, so Google helped me remember where I read about him. Very glad for him!

The name meant nothing, but I googled (actually the farm name on the trailer) because one sentence and it was obvious George Whitaker was from Massachusetts, and I wondered if he still lived here! :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=sascha;8543342]

To me, it appears they give as much shit about their service horses as they do to their veterans. It’s appalling. These horses that have served their country for years[/QUOTE]

For flip’s sake, they’re carriage horses used in processions.
I know some animals, like K9’s for ex, are considered “fellow officers”. But these horses are not “fellow servicecreatures” that put themselves (or are put) at risk in dangerous places for “their country”. They slowly and soberly pull a hearse.

Because they’re connected to the military, their odds of being adopted are higher than most horses, even with health issues and vices. I boarded years ago with our military “musical ride” horses - they too received scads and scads of applications when one went for retirement - and they, too, are just horses used in parades. They’re certainly not equivalent to veterans, nor even to bomb dogs/K9’s etc.

Let’s not get so foamy into patriotism that a horse that does fancy drill for the public, or pulls a stately carriage around, is being equated to a veteran of all things. In Afghanistan we got local cats to keep down the rats - they did excellent work. Were they “serving our government?”

The caisson horses that are retired have lots of great possible homes, and they aren’t just given to anyone. The horses were all originally donated, at least they used to be. They have great care, attentive grooms, vets, farriers, and the best equipment. They aren’t dumped, and they find good homes.

[QUOTE=Lynnwood;8544306]

The kicker might simply be a bad fit… perhaps the work isn’t challenging enough for him. Not every horse wants to stand quietly fully tacked , during all the pageantry that is involved in a military funeral. [/QUOTE]

Considering that he is a RETIRED race horse, it might be difficult for him to be changing his brain from fast and forward to stand and wait.

I totally understand why he would have been picked up as a potentially good horse for the platoon, seeing as he would have had a lot of exposure to noise and crowds, in a manner.

I spent two years stationed in and around Arlington and DC. I spent a lot of time on the nearby bases. Why aren’t they retiring these horses at Fort Belvoir anymore? That is where they used to send them. It was neat driving by the big pastures with old caisson horses.