Mini rant - trying to care for horses with a full time job

Must you be present during your farrier’s visits, or are your horses manageable in cross ties or a rope across the back, as @luvmyhackney mentioned in her post?

I’ve got that type, too, although either I or my husband have always managed to be present. But, two of my neighbors had times when they left a check, and the farrier managed fine (and I’ve had a previous, now retired farrier that we all used for many years offer to do the same for me). Having really well-behaved horses (and a trusted farrier, of course) helps.

I know that it can be tough to get one out for less than a barn full, which why I’m very fortunate to have my next door neighbor’s horses done immediately after mine, and I’ve also recommended him to another person nearby. Is there anyone else in your vicinity with whom you can schedule farrier visits in close proximity, to make it worthwhile for one to travel to your area for your few?

Another thing, which isn’t applicable in OP’s situation but might help someone else, is that we’re very flexible as far as short notice. Since we all only get trims, we are worked in around our farrier’s other jobs – for instance, we don’t have an appointment set weeks in advance. I text him when our collective horses are coming due (say a week out), he might tell me which day is most likely, then he contacts me when he’s in the area, with very short notice (15 - 45 minutes) on the day (helps that our studio is only five minutes away), and I give my neighbor a heads up.

Swinging by here to trim easy horses is worthwhile to him when he can fit in a quick, no-hassle trip between other, larger clients. He’s a great farrier (first met through a veterinarian) that we’re lucky to have, and this flexibility is our accommodation to get him out.

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My vet still does the window of time. They also, at one point, asked how much time I need to get there, and it appears to be noted somewhere so they call me when they are at least that time from doing my appointment.
Since the time needed to get home is like 45 minutes sometimes the call I get is - we are just finishing up at the call before yours, we hope to be there in 45 minutes but it might be a little more than that.
I can then jump in the car and drive home.

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I’d love to be able to do that. Ironically, though my job is maybe 5 minutes from my house (which is Awesome!) I can’t leave without advance notice, so it ends up being all day or nothing. I mean I could leave for an emergency, but that is it.
It has been a bit of a shock and a reminder of the years I was working retail, in my previous primary job (I have two plus free lance) I was a self employed contractor and made my own hours for the most part.
If I didn’t have a support network, I would be in an even worse spot than the OP.

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My farrier does many client horses where there is nobody there. Horses are up and waiting when he arrives. Not something I feel comfortable with, personally ( if horse or farrier would be injured ) but if the horses you have are well behaved???

Can you get recommendations from your vet on maybe farm sitters/ trusted experienced horse owning clients ( needing supplemental $$) who you could hire for holding during farrier visits @alteredcarbon ??

I would look into something like that. I always need horse spending $$ and there may be someone close to you who would be perfect.

I am retired now (retired just before all the Covid-related changes) so my experience may be out of date. When I was working I had a 90 minute commute each way, but I also had the option of coming in late and working late, so that gave some flexibility for “first appointment of the day” situations.

One farrier told me which day he was coming. I would leave the horses in the barn with their halters, and leave a check. After he retired, the new farrier would give me the first appointment of the day…

I second the suggestion of finding someone who can hold the horses for you when you can’t be there. If there is a 4H or Pony Club nearby, talk to them. 30+ years ago we asked at the local high school for a horse-competent student who was looking for a part time job. She fed the horses 3 mornings a week before school, and looked after the horses when we were out of town. She still looks after our animals when we go out of town. We didn’t ask her to, but she could have held the horses for the vet or farrier after school let out.

I get my hay, feed and shavings delivered, so I do not need to get that during the day.

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One stumbling block that I’m really struggling with - the only farrier that will come out here can ONLY come every 6 weeks. And cannot come out if a shoe needs tacking on or something. I have a horse that WILL pull shoes in the right condition, and of course she’s the one that needs therapeutic shoes. I also have two that grow foot like crazy. They do best on a 4 week schedule, 5 weeks is really pushing it.

So, I could maybe hire someone to hold for the vet. I prefer to be there to talk about minor issues, but I could hire someone for routine visits. The farrier is harder, since right now the only option is a too long cycle + up a creek if a horse pulls a shoe, or hauling somewhere and taking the PTO. Neither are super attractive to me at this point.

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I feel your pain but now I am retired. Yippeee I lived that long! I had one farrier that would come on Saturday mornings. He was a great guy but not a good farrier. Maybe that was why he was free on Saturday mornings. Then I switched and the guy swore he would be in my area on a regular basis. He was a good farrier but incredibly flakey. I would set up the appointment for 9AM so I could take a half day off from work. He would call at 10AM saying he had dropped his phone in the toilet and would be late. He might show up at noon and then I had to take a whole day off waiting on him. Finally he just quit coming. My current farrier lives in this area. Before I retired he would show up at 8AM and he would trim all 3 horses, I could jump in the shower and be at work by 10 and work was OK with that as long as it was planned. Now he comes at 9AM and my horses are really easy and he is out of the cold, rain or heat.

My other horse went to the vet for foot care. I would use up almost all my vacation days taking her there. And pre Chewey and TSC I had Saturday mornings before noon to buy any feed or hay. That really sucked when I was running low on hay and it was raining Saturday morning.

My commute was at least an hour each way and when it was a “beach weekend” it might take 2 to 3 hours to get home Friday afternoon. Nobody out here I would trust with my animals, much less a horse.

Boy I sure don’t miss working!!!

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Yup. I feel this.

I have reasons for wanting to switch farriers, but mine has been accommodating my work schedule for nearly four years now. That alone is priceless.

My vet is SUPER sweet. I generally take PTO for appointments, but a few times when I couldn’t take PTO, she told me to leave the horse in a stall or paddock and she and her tech would take care of it without me. Of course, that’s not standard operating procedure for her, but she gets it.

I usually pick up small loads of hay in the bed of my pickup, thankfully my hay guy is open weekends. My feed store has annoyingly limited hours, but I usually get off work early enough to get there before they close.

But everything else? Ooof. Then you add in all the non-horse related stuff: doctor appointments, service providers, maintenance, big deliveries…

I wish society could go to 4 day work weeks but still have things open M-F so that everyone who works full time still has a non-weekend day to take care of business, horse related or not!

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I had three horses at home. My vet lived nearby, but my farrier was an hour and a half away. So for the farrier, I recruited two friends in the neighborhood and among us we had nine horses. It made it worthwhile for the farrier to come to us.

My husband was mostly home, but if he wasn’t available for some reason, we’d leave cash or a check in the tackroom and the farrier would grab each horse out of the pasture and clip them to a post in the saddling area (I had no barn and the horses were out 24/7). The horses really liked him and were as cooperative as a couple of physical limitations allowed them to be. He trimmed my Paint mare while sitting on the ground so she didn’t have to hold her foot up much at all. She had muscle damage in her rear legs and really struggled to hold a back hoof up. Somehow, she never kicked him. And one pony didn’t have a great deal of flexibility to hold up his feet. Surprisingly, the smallest pony (12.2) was easiest to trim because he had no trouble holding his feet up pretty high.

Our vet was pretty flexible on making appointments that I could get to. DH would handle it if it was a time I couldn’t make, and he knew as much about the horses as I did, but I just liked to be there for vet appointments so I could hear what he had to say for myself. I love DH dearly and he took excellent care of the horses, but if I asked him what happened at a vet visit, he’d say “nothing much.” Then I would hear all sorts of detail from the vet next time I saw him.

My problem was finding time to drive my ponies. I worked long hours and had on call on top of that. Throw in awful air quality in the summer way too often due to fires, and it was hard to get enough time to drive. The last time I drove my large pony before retiring him, I spent more time stopped on the side of the road taking work calls than I did driving him. I retired shortly after that, but the pony’s vision had gotten too compromised by cataracts to drive any more, so he retired, too. And my other pony was long deceased by then. So when I finally had all the time in the world, I had nothing to drive any more.

This was all before the pandemic. We sold the horse property in 2016 and boarded the remaining horse. Since I was retired, I had no problem getting to weekday vet and farrier appointments.

Rebecca

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Do any of you have a similar rant and suggestions for those with horses, a full time job, and also young children?

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It’s getting to be obnoxious.

I truly do not have a solution, but have been talking about this with other folks on a more macro level.

To me - it’s Business 101. You are serving a market which is composed primarily of hobbyists. In order to attract, engage, and retain clients, your product and/or service needs to appeal to that demographic.

The challenge is that - just as is happening across the country and in other verticals - the divide between the “haves” and the “have nots” is widening daily. I’ve seen it lately with training programs and horse showing.

As a trainer, your best case scenario is having a full barn of clients with deep pocket books who never ask questions and pay their bills on time. You make a lot more money when you’re buying and selling six figure horses each year, you make a lot more money when you spend time on the road and can charge for cross country hauling, and because no one ever questions it - you can build the empire you dreamed of since you were a kid with the fancy curtains, and the matching stall front bags, and the whole shebang. I totally get it, and my sincere kudos to anyone who can fulfill their vision for their life.

However. The volume of clients who exist in that world is finite. It’s kind of like Grand Prix horses - you’re not just going to be able to replace one in a week if something happens. But the trainers I know who have business models like this get stressed and frantic when they lose a client because their monthly revenue is immediately impacted, without seeming to realize that they could easily diversify some of that risk by keeping a more varied set of clientele.

It’s the same with vet clinics and farriers. From a purely logical standpoint, I understand wanting to put your eggs in the big baskets - catering to the full time training operators where all the horses can be seen in one place (convenient), where all of your bills can be covered in one or two visits because you’re seeing so many horses (efficient), and generally guaranteed payment without questions of alternatives because their clients have deep pockets (easy money). When it works, it’s brilliant.

BUT.

You run into the same market issue as the trainers - the supply of these is small and getting smaller and all of your competitors are trying to operate the exact same model. Except now, with social media, I see more people complain. “There aren’t enough horse shows.” “People don’t want to spend money.” “A lot of my clients aren’t breeding as many horses and I’m not making nearly as much money during the Spring season.”

And it’s this bizarre, cyclical situation where business owners don’t want to go out of their way for people because it’s less efficient or less convenient but then they complain because there isn’t as much demand for what they provide.

I don’t have any answers because you can’t MAKE people change their business operations, but I fully understand your rant and hope that if an equine professional happens to read these threads that they consider the long term impact of how they operate. There are a hundred other things we can spend our time and our money on, and when enough people get fed up with it, there will be no more industry.

This is a rhetorical question but I generally think to myself, “Do you want the short term efficiency or the long term viability of the business?” You don’t get to choose both.

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My daycare provider is my savior. :rofl:

My son is in the most amazing home daycare.

My MIL has also been a huge help lately.

I don’t know how people do it without help.

Regardless, I’m very excited for the day my son is old enough to stay inside by himself while I’m doing things with the horses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to wish away his childhood, but at the same time, if I never have to entertain a toddler for an entire 2.5 hr farrier appointment again it will be too soon. :crazy_face:

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My kids are no longer little but make sure Dad is pulling his weight with the household things.

It doesn’t get easier the older they get as I’m carting my teens around 4 days a week after work.

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Related vent - we’re now into summer thunderstorm season, which directly impacts my ability to ride after work. I work 8 - 5, so when it thunderstorms from 4 - 8, I’m just SOL. It’s a 4-5 hour round trip to get to the barn and ride, depending on whether I ride one or both horses, so getting there before work isn’t doable. So that’s my vent - summer thunderstorms impacting my riding time, and the necessity of the full-time job to pay for the horses meaning I can’t go ride while it’s not thunderstorming.

Of course, prior to this we were in 100-degree heat season, so that was also impacting my rides - riding at 5:30 in the afternoon in that kind of weather sucks. Lots of walking for both horses, especially the 4yo who is experiencing his first southern summer.

Related to the thread, I am very lucky to have a farrier who will typically come on weekends, but getting hay and grain is a bit of an adventure as it requires quite a bit of driving - nearest places I can get reasonably priced alfalfa or alfalfa mix hay are 45 minutes to an hour away, so it’s a big chunk of time to make that trip and work around schedules, weather, etc.

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This reminds me of an old Seinfeld episode with Kramer and the cable guy… :grin:

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And I can totally relate to ride-time windows. Right now in TN, I can only ride between 7:00 p.m., when the sun is below the tree line and about 8:30 p.m. when it starts to get dark. Any other time is WAY too hot. I start work at 7:00 a.m. and have to pick stalls before work, so morning rides are out! Come on fall weather!! :maple_leaf::fallen_leaf:

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My kids were out in the barn with me when the horses were trimmed/ shod. If infants they were in a stroller and bundled up well if Winter time( didn’t seem to be as cold back then) a little older we had the play pen nearby and the oldest ones kept them entertained .

Thankfully the horses were used to the activity of kids and occasional screaming/ crying .

It wasn’t fun but we got through it. If you are working then you have access to day care already? I didn’t.

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Even when you have a scheduled time all it takes is one emergency call and you become a " i will call when on the way". I will take that because it means my vets still do emergency farm calls.

You are up against several issues but I hope you are happy with the farrier you have at least??

My farrier travels quite far to get to us up here and he was saying that he has been working weekends trying to keep up with demand this time of year with so many riding. I hate to think of him getting burned out. They need those days off as much or more than most.

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This isn’t a quick easy fix, but could you attend any hoof trimming courses and ride in boots? I learned how to trim shorty after I got my gelding and it’s been worth the sweat and shin bruises I get! I appreciate you would have to take PTO to go and learn, but it would certainly pay for itself in time and money if your horses don’t require special shoes. And save your sanity dealing with scheduling.

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Will your farrier not do your horses without you there? You may have to do that. And no dog vets are open on weekends there? Where I live they are. Feed stores are open on Saturdays too. And here most til 6. I used to stop on the way home from work .
My hay delivery guy just comes in and puts it away , he knows where it goes .
There are ways to make it happen, sometimes it just takes a little wrangling