As far as I can tell, Last News is still alive and standing in Ireland. Also, I seem to recall that Twist of Fate has a colt by her late twist stallion.
Here is my stallion’s male line-
Sireline of Presidio
Gen Name Breed Sex Dob Land Color Level Stallion Mare
1 Palladium HAN s 1987 DE BR Pik Solo Luisella
2 Pik Solo HAN s MAY 1976 DE BK Pik König Dorfbraut
3 Pik König HAN s 1968 DE B Pik As Anina
4 Pik As TB s 1949 DE B Abendfrieden Pechfackel
5 Abendfrieden TB s 1934 DE B Ferro Antonia
6 Ferro TB s 1923 DE B Landgraf Frauenlob
7 Landgraf TB s 1914 DE B Louviers Ladora
8 Louviers TB s 1906 UK B Isinglass St Louvaine
9 Isinglass TB s 1890 UK B Isonomy Deadlock
10 Isonomy TB s 1875 UK B Sterling Isola Bella
11 Sterling TB s 1868 UK B Oxford Whisper
12 Oxford TB s 1857 UK CH Birdcatcher Honey Dear
13 Birdcatcher TB s 1833 IE CH Sir Hercules Guiccioli
14 Sir Hercules TB s 1826 IE BK Whalebone Peri
15 Whalebone TB s 1807 UK BR Waxy Penelope
16 Waxy TB s 1790 UK B Pot-8-Os Maria
17 Pot-8-Os TB s 1773 UK CH Eclipse Sportsmistress
18 Eclipse TB s APR 1764 UK CH Marske Spilletta
19 Marske TB s 1750 UK BR Squirt The Ruby Mare
20 Squirt TB s 1732 UK CH Bartlet’s Childers Sister To Old Country Wench
21 Bartlet’s Childers TB s 1716 UK B Darley Arabian DB Betty Leedes
22 Darley Arabian DB AR s 1700 SY B unknown unknown
i didn’t realize that Whalebone’s Y was different. Are they any tail males through Waxy? Do they have the same Y? Or maybe someone jumped a fence (though it could be a new mutation as well). Interestingly almost all of my stud’s chestnut offspring have Birdcatcher spots. I guess they got them legitimately.
You’re right, of course. Pure TBs with a Roi Herode sireline are (AFAIK) extinct in racing, but not in sport. But, even with the Gem Twist clones, Roi Herode is certainly hanging by a very thin thread.
Re: The Waxy X.
He had a son named Whisker, who is tail male to King Tom. King Tom MIGHT be found in tail male today in WBs in Germany. He is the sireline for Kingdom/King who was the damsire of Fling. Kingdom is in both Trakehners and in Hanoverians, but whether there is a direct sire line left would have to be researched. If there is a direct male line to King Tom, it would be possible to would determine if the mutation happened in Waxy or his sire, Pot-8-os, or in Whalebone.
And there may be WB or TB lines in Russia or other Middle European places that trace to Waxy. Quite a few of his non-Whalebone descendants were exported.
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As far as I can tell, Last News is still alive and standing in Ireland. Also, I seem to recall that Twist of Fate has a colt by her late twist stallion.[/QUOTE]
Now could someone explain the numbers. My mare’s dame line start as a 2 then becomes a 2C and my mare is a 2E how does that happen. And what do we care about those numbers and letters and what do they say, are some more rare?
In the TB, the female family was first given a number by Bruce Lowe. Later, Bobinski and someone working with him whose name I can’t recall, broke down the female number families into branches from great broodmares.
Here is the index for FF2 on Bloodlines.
http://www.bloodlines.net/TB/Families/Family2.htm
2-c was Atalanta, and after several generations, one of her tail female descendants started Branch 2-e.
