Have been looking at colors online and am now wondering if there is Grulla in the welsh breed. I know it exists in both Mustang and QH. I found some pictures of grulla roans and my mare has the same coloring. Check out this pic. http://www.grullablue.com/stallions/rye.htm the coloring looks just like my mare (to me anyway). Anyone know if there is any history of grulla in the welsh breed?
He looks just like some of my Connemara babies, and they were smokey black. The golden ear tufts are a dead give away.
http://www.brambleridgefarm.com/cricketphotos.html This mare is a smokey black (note the golden ear tufts in her baby photo, top left) and she produced a smokey black filly, in the photo at the bottom.
This was the colt we had out of her http://www.brambleridgefarm.com/cappyphotos.html, he’s a dark buckskin now but was born much lighter, and still has golden ear tufts.
I’d say your guy is definantly a dilute, either a dark buckskin or a smokey black.
Dun (which is what it takes to make a grulla, which is dun on black) doesn’t exist in the Welsh or Connemara. Unfortunately, they call all their buckskins “dun” so it can be confusing.
I vote smokey black. 
We have a 2 yr old gelding who was the same color at birth and his eyes are now dark. He’s by Ollie (BF Oliver Twist…palomino) and out of Pashmina (Ch. hunter pony…black roan).
Have fun with him…he’s a cutie!
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Dun (which is what it takes to make a grulla, which is dun on black) doesn’t exist in the Welsh or Connemara. Unfortunately, they call all their buckskins “dun” so it can be confusing.[/QUOTE]
Yes, in Welsh Ponies, the buckskins are called dun by the registry.
However, check out this obviously dun Section A Welsh mare in Texas: http://www.thepromisewelsh.com/mares.htm She’s the first one – and I just noticed that her daughter called Bunny Flash (or something) is also dun. I’ve seen photos of some relatives of hers who were also very clearly real duns like she is (sire’s side of the pedigree, I believe). I didn’t think there was true dun in Welsh either, until I saw the pictures. That being said, I don’t know of any others.
Another vote for smokey black. I had one last year and he looked just like that!
Wow, the path this took me down! Yes, it does indeed appear that true Dun exists in the Welshies. Fascinating. It seems to be limited to a very few lines, at least from what I found. This site shows Dun clearly
http://www.ccwponies.com/photos.html
and it seems to be related to the Ar-sh-we line, specifically the mare Taffy. Obviously she got it from somewhere, but that seems to be the modern connection. At least from what I could tell 
Very cool.
Great - now when you see a Welsh listed as “buckskin”, is he buckskin, dun, or dunskin? :lol:
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Wow, the path this took me down! Yes, it does indeed appear that true Dun exists in the Welshies. Fascinating. It seems to be limited to a very few lines, at least from what I found. This site shows Dun clearly
http://www.ccwponies.com/photos.html
and it seems to be related to the Ar-sh-we line, specifically the mare Taffy. Obviously she got it from somewhere, but that seems to be the modern connection. At least from what I could tell
Very cool.
Great - now when you see a Welsh listed as “buckskin”, is he buckskin, dun, or dunskin? :lol:[/QUOTE]
Yes, it does seem to be pretty limited!
The site you referenced included some of the photos that Sally (owner of CCW Ponies) sent to me a few years ago showing the duns. I’m having computer troubles, so can’t open it and look and type this at the same time, but I thought remembered that the true dun went back to a Bwlch prefixed pony. (Bwlch Treasure? Can’t remember for sure.)
I’ve seen some references to true dun Welsh in Wales, but it was in regards to ponies that are long gone, and I don’t think there were many of them.
I think that in the vast majority of cases, when a purebred Welsh is advertised as dun or buckskin – it is almost always buckskin!
That’s beautiful. Forgive me if I missed this, but do they register as smokey black in the Welsh?
Looking forward to more pictures!
I’ve heard people calling him a “smoky black” and that may very well be the 'correct term" but he looks like he is definately an embodiement of the dilute gene! 
What about the “dark dun” possibility??? (probably not the right term technically. . but he looks to be a dilute , dark dun) oh, and by the way I LOVE Brogan!!! :winkgrin:
Smokey black IS a dilute - single dilute on an E?aa horse giving him E?aaCrcr
If instead you are talking about dun as your “dilute”, then you’re talking about a grulla, and he doesn’t have that look at all.
no, not grulla at all. . . I was making a slight distinction between “smoky black” and “dark dun”. . .the Connemara in me wants to call him a “dark dun” :winkgrin:
My Connemara/Welsh colt has blue eyes
I have correctly added foaling dates, colors etc. to All Breeds Pedigree on this colt through Pidcoke Pollyanna. I am still working on it to find where the blue eyes come in. If you wish to contact me separately email me at diane@chaparralstud.com. I have the studbooks from the U.K., U.S.A. and Canada plus others so I can look it up.
