My experience with Lombado Sporthorses

Yeah. I didn’t include them here because a LOT of people who saw that post apparently didn’t read it very closely and were like “well you should have told her he was going to LAX” – oh boy. Seemed easier just to do a summary instead of relying on close reading… It’s all there and very clear for anyone actually reading it (at one point in that thread someone said, “you shouldn’t rely on implied understanding” and I said, “what about the screen shot where I literally wrote, ‘he is going to LAX’?” – and that person just laugh reacted? Ok?), but I didn’t feel like going through that again. But anyone who wants to see them, I am happy to share.

As an aside today I learned a little more about his history before she bought him. She lied about that too ;).

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I feel like FB has gotten worse than ever when it comes to people that can’t read closely. Or people just want to argue more, so they don’t read because that’d spoil whatever argument they’ve invented. I’ve witnessed this type of stuff a few times now on various groups. It’s bizarre.

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Yeah, I saw a lot of that. Wondered if they saw the same post as me frankly. Such unclear statements as “how long does it take to get horse to LAX” and “he will be going to LAX” obviously mean that a professional importer knows the horse is going to JFK.

A LOT of people just skim over something and then shoot from the hip. Also, a lot of people in public horse groups, are just full of terrible advice and opinions. Nothing will ever make that clearer to me than a random post I stumbled across years ago. The OP had gotten two rescue horses from an infamous SoCal rescue (HiCaliber Horses). The rescue gained noterity for a whole laundry list of abuses; the relevant ones were poor/no training, abusive handling practices, lack of medical attention, and starving the animals in their care. All of this had come to light by the time OP posted. They’d had the horses for a year+, tried restarting them multiple times, worked with trainers, etc. and the horses were still explosive the second a butt touched the saddle (they were allegedly completely restarted a few times and would be absolutely fine up until this point). Owner asked if anyone knew a good CowboyTM to buck them out.

Someone recommended the main trainer who had worked for HiCaliber, aka one of the people who had abused the horses at the rescue. They also praised the trainer’s grit/riding ability. There used to be videos of the guy working horses up on Youtube and they were terrible. Guy liked not wearing a shirt and chasing horses around with a bullwhip. Said trainer also wound up going to jail for a bit due to animal abuse! All his terrible past and training was available with a simple Google search because the case he was involved in was so popular. And I watched someone completely seriously encourage someone else to hire him as a trainer :upside_down_face: I do not take important advise from Facebook.

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Jeez, it’s not just FB. See it often enough here. :wink:

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Unfortunately wildly unsurprised that she lied about his history. I’m truly hoping the shipping surprise is the worst of it for you as sometimes it takes a little time for them to settle in and show their true colors after import. I was one of the folks on the older thread who had to put down a horse she sold me. Since that experience I have made other contacts in Europe that have shared she has a reputation over there for buying quirky ones cheap to flip overseas.

Eta - went back to the other thread and realized I did not update over there after reaching out to the woman (Sarah Rainey) who had posted the Google review about her EDM horse purchased from Lombardo. Tamara claimed nothing like this had ever happened with one of their sold horses. However I had put my horse down from her with EDM just a 1 month prior (mine was put down March 2022 and Sarah’s in April 2022) and had notified her of that. So she had indeed had this issue before and had recently been notified of it, yet chose to lie. Really not someone I’d trust to ever tell the truth.

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I’m so, so sorry about what happened to those horses. It’s painful to hear, completely and totally apart from my (comparatively minor) complaint. I just wanted to acknowledge that.

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Appreciate that :heart: Honestly all of these situations suck. I could have done some things differently to protect myself and I learned the hardest way possible. It sounds like you did a lot better than I did in that regard and still got screwed to some extent. Unfortunately buying anything is always a gamble and that gamble increases with imports.

I’ve imported successfully twice since then from more reputable folks and had great experiences.

However it really stinks that there are people out there like this particularly when dealing with live animals.

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As a social worker by trade I am always very careful not to blame the victim, you know? Like, it is incumbent upon each of us to be good humans and not to take advantage of other people – being a victim of people who are not honest/good is not a personal failing. I personally would rather occasionally be on the losing end of someone who does not treat others well, than be so cynical and crusty that I mistrust everyone I come across. To me, the downsides of the latter far, far outweigh the downsides of the former. There is a line between doing your due diligence and seeing the world as a scary place filled with terrible people.

Based on the reviews I saw before I engaged with her, she was a dealer with mixed feedback, as most who deal in volume are, but most customers were happy. She had a horse I really, really wanted and had all the qualities I had been looking for when pretty much nothing else I had seen did. I tried to protect against what happened to you by doing my own vetting, and by misrepresentation of his training by sending a rider to try him, with videos.

Okay, we didn’t look under every single rock with this person, which is not possible to do even if you want to (I did not even think about asking for an indepedent shipping quote earlier in the process, for example). You and I both took a risk on someone with a known history, in the hopes that those reports were a few bad ones in a sea of happy customers, and lost that bet: we got burned (again, my $$ loss does not even begin to compare to your horse, these are not equivalent, but it is still a burn). That sucks for us, and I hope that people reading this will now decide that risk is not worth taking; but I am still glad, even so, that I am willing to see people as good first, until proven otherwise. I would rather be naive than cynical. I say this as someone who has definitely been burned by this philosophy before, but there it is. This is the price of being like that as a person, I suppose.

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General remarks from life learning, as I do not know the seller – That is the feeling on the part of any buyer that is the key trigger for a seller who is looking to take advantage. A buyer who is imbued with the feeling that they must have this one. They are no longer considering options. Because that is most likely to be the buyer who will minimize discrepancies and red flags that stand in the way of what they want.

There is nothing wrong with being sure of what we want. That’s a good thing! It can be tricky making sure that someone who does tricky/shady things isn’t in the way of it. As has been mentioned, that can be hard to do.

Some shady dealers do three things (among others) that appear to have happened here: - They do some honest deals as well, so that the record of past dealings is complicated. There are both happy and sad buyers and reviews. Buyers see that, but tend to take the optimistic approach if they find something they particularly want. - After the buyer commits, the cost grows over what the buyer was willing and committed to pay. Whatever the reason(s). This happens after it would be more costly, or impossible, for the buyer to cancel the deal. - Quite frankly, selling at a distance, especially overseas or in another jurisdiction, makes it much harder for the buyer to come back on the seller when the buyer learns the full truth. Distance selling is a tactic, too, for shady deals.

Have seen all of that play out before, in more than one arena of selling things. The seller may only be shady on particular deals that fit their opportunity profile. Often their other transactions appear to be a basically competent dealer.

All we can do to try to protect ourselves is to be careful of our own ‘must have’ feeling. Frankly, our ‘must have’ feeling is our first red flag. Not to let ourselves lower some of our normal guardrails. And keeping top of mind that if this doesn’t work out, we’ll be ok, even if sadly disappointed.

OP you didn’t deserve to have this happen. An honest buyer shouldn’t have to encounter situations like this. But unfortunately it does happen, to anyone, even when they take precautions.

Completely agree. I also see that lack of response as a red flag that this wasn’t a misunderstanding.

If a business seller did by chance make a mistake, as a reputable business-person she would offer something to at least partially make it right. What she did instead is avoid any contact that might risk acknowledging that the way the transaction played out is not what OP agreed to.

The seller could even have acknowledged “look I know you needed time to try to seek out a more favorable shipping cost, so since that’s due to my mistake, I won’t charge you for the extra holding time”. Had the seller simply communicated that, maybe the buyer would be more favorably inclined now. But instead the seller stonewalled her.

Re the seller not charging OP for the extended care & training – OP explained that this time extension was due to the sudden change in total shipping cost and her attempts to find other solutions. Otherwise the horse would have shipped on the original schedule, if I understand correctly. I think the seller did one thing right by not passing on those holding costs, after she made such a critical ‘mistake’ on the shipping. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the horse was standing in the seller’s own stable yard the whole time. Taking up a spare stall and living on hay.


All the best with your new horse, OP! I hope he turns out to be well worth it in the end, even if it shouldn’t have happened this way. And that he is everything you wanted. :slightly_smiling_face:

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I think this is a really great point that’s often overlooked. When the average person has a bad experience people often question the validity of the claim because someone of more social clout or resources had an amazing experience with the same person. It happens with horses, cars, contractors, you name it.

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I witnessed the most unbelievable (to honest folks) long-term outright fraud take place, on a different forum. Not horses.

There was a U.S.-based seller of items who had several buyers in Europe, as well as the U.S. She was a dealer, for all practical purposes, although just as an individual, and not a business.

She had tons of positive reviews from U.S. buyers and a few from Europe. Later found out that several of those reviews and endorsements were faked by herself. But some were real, from genuinely satisfied customers.

BUT – the lady also regularly “sold” items to European buyers, collected the money, and never shipped the item.

Naturally the European buyers that had been cheated were frantic – these items cost the equivalent of several hundred US $ each. And they didn’t know what recourse they had against someone on the other side of the ocean.

But the other buyers who also frequented the forum were puzzled, because they considered the seller/scammer a great person to deal with. And, she nominally ‘kept in touch’ even with the buyers she was scamming, sometimes with excuses as to why a shipment was taking so long (but never happened – after months, even over a year, before she abandoned communications).

Finally the seller picked on the wrong European buyer, to lever off an American movie phrase. :smirk: This buyer in the UK used her next-level internet search skills and found that the U.S. seller/scammer had also scammed an employer out of $40,000. In New Jersey. She was on a years-long probation for this scam. This info wasn’t from some skeevy internet “background check”, it was directly from the government’s public online files, as the UK buyer had scoped out where the seller actually lived, and her true real name.

And, this scammed UK buyer publicly posted everything she found out about the seller on the forum. I’ve never seen a thread go so shocked, so fast.

Short cut to the end, some U.S.-based members contacted all of the Europeans who were scammed, got a consolidated group together, and helped them figure out how to file complaints against this seller with the seller’s probation office. The seller agreed to pay them all back if they didn’t file – and she did !!! To stop the formal complaints from being filed. Also to stop the further tarnishing of her reputation for doing legit deals. And I personally am sure to stop alerting any other scams she had going in other parts of the internet.

That is another crazy nugget I learned about how scammers operate. Sometimes a caught-out scammer will make good on a deal (or reimburse) to quiet the complaint. Especially if they already have a legal past, and/or have a community presence. It allows the scammer to stay out of legal trouble. If they are dealing under their own name, making good also keeps their reputation a bit cleaner. And not for nothing, stopping the alarms makes it easier to carry on other scams in the same or another venue. But unless there is a reason, they rarely ever do this.

Not that this has anything to do with the OP’s horse seller.

Just another example of how seemingly reputable people can turn out to be – not. And how hard it can be to find this information. It may not even be out in the world to be found.

I used to give most people the benefit of the doubt. I got over that, some time ago. :smirk: Legit people behave in legit ways. If they don’t, well … maybe their behavior tracks.

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Such a good point.

There’s a local saddlery that refused to ship my saddle soap (despite it being paid for) or come do a fitting. I was in the market for a saddle and wanted to support local so I thought, hey, let’s dip a baby toe in the water here. I was floored that she ignored my emails. Like blown away. It was super clear she was just in over her head from a business perspective, but enough people bought the saddles who had money and presence in the show ring that she gave 2 shits about the general public.

The reviews on Facebook are scathing, but anyone who lucked out with a good experience decided the buyer was the problem, not the seller.

She stiffed a friend (who owns a feedstore) for a giant order of feed in the same manner.

Anyway, off topic, but this thread reminded me of that experience.

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On this very thread!

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FWIW, here’s a direct quote from the “About Us” page on the Lombardo Sporthorses website (bolding mine):

By starting each horse ourselves and handling all aspects associated with importation and quarantine, Lombardo Sporthorses eliminates the fear, uncertainty and potential disappointment of buying a horse overseas.

And, on their main page:

Stress-free organization of vetting, transport and paperwork.

Also, an internet search via DuckDuckGo for “Lombardo Sporthorses” has this thread as the second result, after only their website. :slightly_smiling_face:

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I agree with this as well. When she took OP’s offer, she probably didn’t realize that she’d screwed up the location that the horse was going to for purposes of the shipping quote. Once she realized it, she didn’t want to cancel the sale or eat at least 50% of the error. So she’s opted for just ignoring the whole thing, knowing Lark is in the states and has no real way to dispute the Lombardo payment and leaving her to twist in the wind to deal with paying the shipper directly.

I do think there is a couple of lessons for us to learn from this -

  • Always independently price check the components of a purchase

  • If an import going wrong will potentially financially break you - maybe it’s not quite time for the purchase - there was a months long thread on the H/J forum where the horse had a false positive over and over for Glanders (maybe?) and spent MONTHS in quarantine racking up an enormous bill before finally getting a clean test and released to their stateside owners.

  • As hard as it can be - don’t get so attached to a horse before they are in your barn that the seller can see that you’ll do essentially anything to make the sale happen (not saying this is you Lark - I do understand that the shipping nightmare did not happen until after you’d signed the contract and paid Lombardo - just seen too many people ignore red flags because they’ve “fallen in love” with the horse).

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I would have turned her in after I got my refund. Darn, I lied. You know - somewhat like you did

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I’ve been in the position when I missed on a quote, unintentionally. The real cost was significantly more than what I had told the prospective buyer. And it changed the comparison with a competitor’s price (obviously). An uncomfortable experience, but we learn and go on – in that case with the help of senior management.

I haven’t been giving the seller the benefit of the doubt that it was truly an unintentional mistake (for reasons :frowning_face:). But if I did …

Caveat that in any business, reputation is everything. It is not enough to get a buyer what they wanted. The buyer needs to take away a positive impression. Especially in the current age of mass information. A buyer’s opinion is important to the longevity of the business.

Hypothetically - Let’s say a hypothetical seller made an unintentional mistake on a quote – of course, it happens. The mistake-quote fit the price limits of what the buyer wanted and committed. But the real cost is significantly higher.

Here are some possible straightforward solutions the seller could try that might save the sale with no surprises for the buyer to find out only after the transaction is concluded. (Surprises later can cause reputational damage, unless they are intentional free benefits.)

Alternatives …

1- Straight up, explain to the buyer that a mistake was made and the total cost will be much higher than agreed. Does the buyer want to proceed at the higher total amount? If no, the buyer is let out of the contract and the search goes on for another horse. Maybe give the buyer a slight discount on the next horse, out of the seller’s end, to help make up for the buyer’s trouble and disappointment.

  • Handled with tact and honesty, there is a chance of keeping the buyer on board, with the same or revised buget. After a discussion of the buyer’s real horse-price limit, given the realistic shipping cost of any horse she buys. The same horse-price limit if working with this seller or any other seller (so hopefully no reason to switch to another seller rep if the buyer is understanding about the mistake).
  • If she wants more horse than is affordable at her initial price limit, then she’ll need to reconsider her total budget.
  • Handled tactfully and forthrightly, the buyer may be ready to continue with the same or a higher budget.

2- Or we can try this – Can the price of the horse be discounted to make the total price + shipping amount match, or move closer to, what the buyer agreed to? (Possibly the seller still makes money, just not as much.)

  • The mistake can be explained along with the question if it is acceptable to the buyer to pay at the top of her budget, but more for shipping and less for the horse (the same horse).
  • Although it may seem intuitive that the buyer will agree, nonetheless the buyer has the right to the information, in case for any reason she doesn’t agree.
  • The goal is: No surprises later. Assume the buyer will find out or figure it out, one way or another. (Especially in the small gossipy horse world.) We can never assume how someone else will react, because everyone has their own internal landscape.

3- But wait - This is a consignment horse and maybe the consignor sets the price, not the seller representing the horse. In that case, the seller can contact the consignor and tell them that a buyer has been found, but is only willing to pay $x amount, not the consignor’s original asking price. Will the consignor agree in order to have the horse sold, now?

  • Otherwise the consignor may be paying holding costs for an indefinite amount of time. If the horse is recently listed for sale the consignor probably won’t be agreed (but they might). But if the horse has been waiting for a while to find a buyer, the consignor might be just as happy to have the horse sold at a discount.
  • Depending on the holding costs, even if the horse has only been on the market a short-ish time, the consignor may be better off to accept the lower price, now.

4- If this sale can’t go through because the horse price + shipping cost just can’t be smashed down into the buyer’s acceptable budget, the seller has two opportunities to work toward: Ask the buyer if they know anyone else who would like to step in to buy this horse, shipping to LAX or even another location in the U.S.; AND continue horse shopping for this buyer.

  • Optimistic potential for two sales! (True salespeople will love this one. They will totally believe that they will come away with two sales! :smile:)

5- The buyer is so discouraged at the news that this sale won’t go through per her budget, she gives up the search (or switches to another seller rep). A motivated seller will keep this buyer in mind and hopefully contact her again later “I’m so excited for you, I think we found the right horse, at the right price!”

6- BUT THE TRUE SOLUTION: Before the seller begins the horse search, start with a realistic shipping quote to LAX + all ancillary costs for any horse in the geographic region of the buyer’s interest. Go over the details with the buyer and get the buyer’s signed approval for the true shipping budget. That defines the real price limit for the horse, to fit everything into the buyer’s total budget.



The real miss here was not starting with all of the shipping and necessary ancillary costs, shown to and approved by the buyer, before the horse search began. The seller will then have a true agreed price range from the buyer.

The lack of a realitic shipping quote at the beginning of the search has to be on the seller who represents that they know everything about getting a horse to a buyer in the U.S. This is a huge reason I mistrust this seller – This is her business, fer gawd’s sake, any time a quote has a fixed-cost element, that is where everything starts. Customers can’t be relied on to do this correctly. She knows that.

But – this seller didn’t do that, despite all of her experience. Interesting. This seller also didn’t pursue any of the options above, which are fairly standard in any industry that relies on quotes for business, because of course mistakes do happen. Or, she might have pursued other better ideas of her own to make it right with the buyer.

But this seller didn’t do any of the above, or her own better idea, to straighforwardly fix the mistake and give the buyer options. Instead, she just shoved this transaction through, by putting the buyer in an untenable position. Even more interesting. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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Man, it was worse than that :(.

I think it’s possible she missed the first exchange where I said it – that was the first time we talked, and there were 19 days between that interaction and when I sent her my address for the vetting (I had been looking at another horse in that time, so we didn’t really interact at all).

Okay. But yes… once I sent my address to her to pass along to the vet, she was seeing the sale as pretty much done, right? And then after that, we talked and talked and talked and talked and talked… and not only did I obsessively confirm and reconfirm the quote (as an aside for the folks who are like “if you can’t pay an unexpected cost you’re at the wrong price point:” it’s not that I didn’t have a cushion to absorb this, its that the budget is there for a reason, and it was really important to me to stick inside it) what really sticks in my craw is that there was so much time between when I am absolutely positive she knew the situation and when I paid her for him. There were so many points where his destination came up, where I was came up… at one point we literally had an entire conversation about the legislative changes in California that changed the fabric of my professional field and eliminated a lot of my disposable income. I think we have firmly established I can be a little naive, but I find it hard to bite off that we went through all of this and she just… double, triple, quadrupled down on her lie. You have to be a really, really crappy person to tell the same lie over and over and over like that.

This is neither here nor there, but I have to say that after I learned that she lied about his history (she told me she bought him as a six month old and broke him to ride at 5; she actually bought him as a long four year old, freshly gelded – I never asked, but come on – and he had been broke to saddle well before she bought him) that I actually felt… a little better? – about putting her on blast. That happened this week. So… yeah.

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I may have missed this, but – this was her horse that you bought? One she has owned for some time?

No wonder she didn’t charge you for his keep when the ship date was extended. Nothing changed for him or her, is my guess. He was probably at her place the entire time, living right where he had been living since she got him.

If any part of the way this seller operates is genuine, the only excuse I can think of is that she keeps bad notes or no notes, and/or just doesn’t remember things. Like where a horse is destined for delivery. Or when she got her own horses and what she’s done with them.

Yes, he was hers. She told me she bought him when he was 6 months old, which would have been the end of 2019, but she actually bought him after October, 2023.

Yes, nothing changed for him to my knowledge – payment cleared for him the first week of November, and he just… sat… apparently in training but who really knows? – until he finally shipped December 7. She has a lot of horses and I think its her home, so I don’t think it cost her much. I would have happily knocked off reasonable costs to any reimbursement.

Honestly, like, it’s not like I did not make any mistakes here myself so if she had offered to even pay me back partially, I think I would have let it go because… until this week, when I realized she lied about the horse too, I really wanted to recommend her just because he is actually a really cool horse, and literally a dozen people so far have asked me where he came from and if I would make a connection. I guess word of mouth doesn’t really matter to her, and I find that confusing, but there came a point for me in my life when I decided I wasn’t just going to shrug and walk away when people wrong me like I have before, so here we are talking about it in public instead of me just dropping it without doing anything at all. Yay, therapy. :slight_smile:

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