Deltawave, does that means you’re cool with me writing scripts for myself and my family? You know, just antibiotics and maybe the occasional NSAID. Nothing beyond my comfort level. 
—“To ensure the old boys’ club stays intact, turf is protected, and nothing is changed from the Middle Ages to modern times. To ensure owners don’t have a right to choose for themselves what they want for themselves and their horses. Yeah well, new countries have been started to get out from the oppressive grip of such practices.
The flames of ‘protection’ hysteria are fanned by those protecting their self interests above all else, because as we know people are so stupid they need legislation protecting them from every possible thing.”—
Laughable ideas, after we practically so smartly stopped horse slaughter in the USA, on the manipulations of a few, leaving so many unwanted horses in limbo, scrambling for “rescues” to take them in.
As you say, “people are so stupid they need legislation to protect them from every possible thing” here also, right?
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Laughable ideas, after we practically so smartly stopped horse slaughter in the USA, on the manipulations of a few, leaving so many unwanted horses in limbo, scrambling for “rescues” to take them in.
As you say, “people are so stupid they need legislation to protect them from every possible thing” here also, right?[/QUOTE]
:mad: OH PLEASE BLUEY - maybe we need legislation to stop you from trying to turn every blasted thread in to your soap box about how great horse slaughter is. :mad:
Give it a rest - or better yet, take it somewhere else!
Ummmm, I like her soapbox. :o
Rick
Deltawave, does that means you’re cool with me writing scripts for myself and my family? You know, just antibiotics and maybe the occasional NSAID. Nothing beyond my comfort level.
Yup. You can get NSAIDs over the counter, and people already demand antibiotics from their doctors every time they sneeze or sniffle anyhow. And then they take them for 2 days and don’t finish them because they got better (and would have anyhow). 
But yes, I happen to believe a lot of these meds should be OTC. Let the lay public take responsibility for the rampant antibiotic resistance that comes from noncompliance and ridiculous overuse of these drugs for non-bacterial, non-serious, and nuisance infections. Leave the doctors out of it–we didn’t want to prescribe them in the first place. :lol: Fully half of my patients in whom I’ve forbidden NSAIDs with very good reason take them anyhow. Who listens to doctors? :lol:
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What do you keep in your tack room for colic? Genuine question–I always feel better if I have SOMETHING on hand.[/QUOTE] I hardly dare say this because its almost like tempting fate… But here goes anyways… I’ve had one case of horse colic in the past 30 years.
First though you also need to consider that our geography and veterinary service is absolutely different to what you will be familiar with in your huge country.
We are advantaged being in a small place but with a huge culture of horsemanship and hence a demanding population of knowledgeable horse owners requiring on hand professional service 24/7.
I am serviced by a veterinary practice which has 3 site offices and with specialist equine vets at all locations. They’re 8, 15 and 18 miles away. The equine surgical facility is at the practice 15 miles away. I’m also just 55 miles from one of the world’s best Equine Veterinary Universities - The Royal Dick at Edinburgh.
I can get a vet out maximum within an hour day or night and no matter what day of the week. If need be I can obtain appropriate medication by going to the nearest practice and round trip 20 minutes maximum.
I obviously have emergency first aid stuff and for colic, I’ve always got sufficient Bute for just one dose and the obvious like liquid paraffin.
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To ensure the old boys’ club stays intact, turf is protected, and nothing is changed from the Middle Ages to modern times. To ensure owners don’t have a right to choose for themselves what they want for themselves and their horses. Yeah well, new countries have been started to get out from the oppressive grip of such practices.
The flames of ‘protection’ hysteria are fanned by those protecting their self interests above all else, because as we know people are so stupid they need legislation protecting them from every possible thing.[/QUOTE]
Well yours is certainly an interesting take.
But in the spirit of honesty, you need to read this to understand what I actually mean:
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=2345243&highlight=raisins%3A+interesting#post2345243
So you seriously think that horse owners are so stupid in the UK?
You actually think that farriery in the UK hasn’t changed at all since the Middle Ages?
And you honestly believe that the UK is some cultural backwater akin to an under developed country?
Penultimately you really believe that Britsh people need legislation because they’re stupid?
And finally, as a Strasserite, how p***ed off are you that the prosecutions for causing unnecessary suffering to horses were undertaken in the UK?
And how irritated are you by the fact that you wouldn’t be permitted to practice in the UK?
Man, I wish we had that many vets close by! And I wish I could tell people “I’m making a call to the Royal Dick”! :lol: :lol: Seriously, you all have the greatest, most colorful language…I hesitate to call what we speak “English” because it’s so bland and colorless by comparison! 
And the one that always amuses Americans is our desert pudding called…
Spotted Dick
And I’m seriously not kidding and yes we also use the 2nd word to mean the same as you do
Thomas_1, you can make all the incorrect assumptions you want and base your arguments on them, but if you so totally don’t get it as illustrated by your ‘questions’ and summarized in particular by this one:
Perhaps you should keep it to yourself.
PS - this ‘ain’t’ about me. So stop trying to make it so.
Lookout how do you explain the fact that the British do so well at international equestrian competition for such a small country with a teensy weensy population and considering we’re all so stupid.
Growing up and being part of the horse industry in Europe about half of my now long life, I can corroborate that I only knew of one case of colic and it was very mild and over in a little over one hour.
That is from a life spent there in several riding centers that had over 100 horses and were buying training and selling several horses a month.
I saw my first serious colic episode, lasting two days on a 17 year old school mare in the first two weeks I was in the USA.
Have seen a few since, but in the 30+ years I have been here now, we had three cases of colic only and one was a tear in the peritoneum, that intestines strangulated thru and sadly cost the pregnant mare her life.
But, under other management, I see our vets treating colic cases all the time regularly and wonder why that is so.
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The British are not stupid. Not even you.
Now stop trying to bait me.
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:mad: OH PLEASE BLUEY - maybe we need legislation to stop you from trying to turn every blasted thread in to your soap box about how great horse slaughter is. :mad:
Give it a rest - or better yet, take it somewhere else![/QUOTE]
I posted that as an example, because I read where someone had posted a reference to the fast food expose “Fast Food Nation”.
If others can reference to such character assesinations of a whole industry, as that very liberal fellow did in that interesting but wildly biased book, only finding some to complain about and then make it be the all of an industry and extrapolating to how damaging it is, questionable as his more extreme ideas are along a few reasonable ones, well, I can say the same about the slaughter ban bill, I would guess.
Someone brought up Fast Food Nation as an example of exposes, but they forgot to say that we can do the same kind of expose about anything we do in life, how doctors manage clinics, hospitals and their behind the scene problems, car manufactureres and how they operate and handle their labor pool, grocery stores, office management, school systems with their teacher associations and what goes on in them and in the classrooms…
Any and all we do in our lives can be studied and made an example of how the underlying problems and shortcuts and abuses in ANY system are terrible, if looked at them in that special way, where only the bad examples and exagerations count, never seeing the compromises and good that any of them also do.
Since someone brought this up, I thought that bringing the ban on horse slaughter thru this poorly drafter bill was also appropiate here.
Seems that whoever brought that reference edited it, since I can’t find it now.
That is why my post doesn’t make as much sense alone, without the previous reference.
Sorry that you only read it and took offense.
I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with the cost of meds and services from my vet’s office. Vets DON’T charge what they’re really worth because they CAN’T. What the heck would you do if every vet visit your horse needed ran you 300 or 400 dollars? You wouldn’t be able to afford taking the animal to the vet.
My dog was run over by a car a few years ago (he’s back to normal now). He was hospitalized with round the clock intensive care for almost a week, he had an extensive surgery by an orthopedic surgeon to repair a total destruction of the left hock and severed ligaments, radiographs and MRI of the entire body, treatment for a deep puncture wound entering his hindquarter and ending in the body cavity, a boatload of pain killers and take home medication/antibiotics, fentanyl pain patches, plus twice weekly cast changes for an additional 2 months. He developed a staff infection at the incision site of the leg and required further intensive care. My TOTAL tab when it was all said and done was just under $5,000. It was a huge chunk of change out of my pocket, but really - 5K for all that was pretty damned cheap. (and before reillyshoe jumps all over me, if I’d known now what I knew then, I would have put him down. Thank god he appears to be pain free and happy now, but I would NEVER ever in a million years put an animal through that again. That was my first experience with managing severe injuries and pain in an animal and almost daily I fought myself with the decision to just take him back into the clinic and have him euthanized. I still believe that would have been the kindest treatment, but what’s done is done and he’s fine now.)
Compare that to my 1 night stay in a hospital with a miscarriage, in which they did an ultrasound and a cathetar, and the cost was over $4,000.
Just recently Libbey’s extensive vet visit including x-rays of the front hooves, 100 doses of bute, full exam, and coggins test, came to around $135.00. I think the prices vets charge us for our horses is more than fair and reasonable.
I had a horse hurt two years ago, a small puncture to the top of his right ankle, right into the tendon.
He was at the vets within two hours at most, the vets decided that such injuries had a poor prognosis and wanted to keep him under 24 hour watch, so we left him there.
He was at their clinic for three weeks, with daily monitoring several times a day, all kinds of medications, even some directly into the area, until the infection, that could not be stopped, did too much damage and he had to be euthanized.
The total bill was about $1700, for ALL that! Three weeks at the clinic and all that daily attention, medication, three vets looking at him, many cultures and blood work, consulting with TX A+M vets, VIN, etc.
Can’t complain about the attention he had while sick, much less the price.
I did have insurance, Markel and they paid promptly, but the vet clinic would have handled this the same without it.
I actually have a recipe for Spotted Dick and was VERY tempted to make it for Thanksgiving last year, but it was my husband’s family, not my own. My own family would have gotten the joke.
Prince Phillip, the Duke of Edinburgh or Prince Charles? lol
Rick
I am a bit curious where some of you find such low priced vets! I had a horse spend less then 48 hours(state vet hosp) had some IV fluids a couple of diagnostic tests and labs and it cost over 4k even though she died! I had a simple impaction colic recently in for about 48 hours and it was over 2k! Plus, just average breeding visits, meds are very high. Don’t get me wrong…my vet is well worth it…but vets have a much better gig then many MD’s becasue they don’t have to deal with insurance. Trust me!
Yes, and it does relaly bug me that stuff like Adequan and regumate requires a Rx.
